What should be done about Public Sector pay?

Well it might start out that way Primrose

On reflection, I think you're right gillybob

I'll just play the game in my head

I'd like to add that, in addition to working only limited hours before having pensions cut, there are other restrictions in Scotland but don't know about UK or academies which are a law into themselves.
It no longer matters how far up the payscale a teacher had worked before retirement as all supply teachers are paid at entry-level rate.
I think you'd find that many teachers go back to help out when a school is struggling and not just for monetary gain.
Basic rate less full taxation - not a way to make a fortune! And a school could have a highly skilled and experienced teacher at a bargain price.

Are you in great pain Primrose? You seem to go off on tangents - well we can all do that - but I see you have found another poster to attack today. I have a feeling we should probably all be feeling very sorry for you and whatever personal problems you are wrestling with.

Oh dear, you have got a problem with Primrose, haven't you GGMk2? I wonder why...

Oh I am tempted..... but I won't.

GG Gaslighting me won't work. I have a gas mask.

Gaslighting - I had to look it up

the things you learn on GN

and the exaggerations made. I did actually wonder. I know the only time I get close to swearing or unreasonably short with people is if I am in pain - it was just a thought.

Well, I think the answer to the op is everyone should earn a livable wage. Raised wages seem in order.

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/07/suspicion-falls-on-tories-as-stats-confirm-crime-increase-coincided-with-record-police-cuts/

Statistics out today to show that the government should pay more than 1% to police, etc.
And should have more police.
How many more were promised in the election?
Have we been told when we are going to get them?

www.livingwage.org.uk/what-is-the-living-wage

Someone told me yesterday that there is currently a move to recruit teachers from abroad to cover shortage subjects, things like languages, physics and maths. Will this also be a way of keeping wages down?

I think there had been some discussion in the past about all tax returns being published as they are elsewhere. I really do not believe that, until we see figures like those of these salaries, we really comprehend just what 'the top 10%' or 'the top 1%' actually means in what they take out of the general pot. They do say fresh air is the best disinfectant.

That, and a true 'living wage' (as Norah mentioned) would start to help.

Yes gg I agree

This is the second Labour MP who is doind a weekly update about parliament.

skwawkbox.org/2017/07/20/justin-madders-joins-the-video-update-club/

It's a brilliant idea. He talks about public sector pay.
If you are on facebook, you can see it all.

OMG Diane Abbot has been at it again today. What an embarrassment she must be to her leader. I'm wondering what she must have on him for him not to get rid?

Ordinary public sector staff on restricted pay increases but the bosses seem to be able to award themselves large pay rises:
A report on Avon Fire Authority:
It unearthed an "old boys club" culture where senior officers enjoyed big pay rises and enhanced pensions.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-40485853

It's always been the way Jalima there are cases here on Tyneside of people inflating their own positions and salaries in order to get the best final salary pension possible, leaving the job and then coming back to do the same/similar job again. It's rife.

It's crackers but true that local authorities have to make senior (therefore high wages) redundant because of austerity cuts to their budgets. As the skills of those staff can't be dispensed with, some find themselves offered work via agencies, or on a brief consultancy basis for specific projects,
I don't know anyone who was able to deliberAtely infalte their salary, easily and willingly take redundancy, then return to the same job, pay and conditions. I know many who faced redundancy late in their careers, when they had mortgages and children to support and of course, had to find other paid employment. The system is crackers, not the people being corrupt.

Yes but it's much easier to blame individuals who are after all just doing the best they can with the circumstances and of course as always (particularly on Tyneside) there are stories which turn out when investigated properly to be largely apocryphal. But hey everyone loves a story about how badly their public services are run.

I am talking in particular trisher about a husband and wife both working in the same "field" but for opposite authorities . These people were on 6 figure salaries ! So not really a case of " doing the best they can under the circumstances " at all . Just corruption .

A National Audit Office report in 2013 found that the cost of NHS redundancies was £435million with a fifth of those who left being rehired.

www2.cipd.co.uk/pm/peoplemanagement/b/weblog/archive/2014/10/28/government-to-tackle-revolving-door-of-redundancy-and-rehiring.aspx

At least there are partial measures in place to stop it at an executive level now.

gillybob I just read this comment you made during the various conversations in this post: "Can you not see babyjane that for the private sector to increase their wages they almost always have to increase their prices. Meaning is anyone really any better off?

It is almost word for word the same line spoken by the mill owner in J.B. Priestley's play "An Inspector Calls", it was made into a film as well.

That approach didn't work in 1912, and I don't believe it works over 100 years later.

No, I don't have an answer, but working together, whether it be with the whole team in an SME, or through collective negotiation that improves both product, safety, wages, the economy, etc., must surely be better than just automatically opposing change.

Um, how does the private sector pay increased staff wages if they do not have increased profits from price increases to pay the higher wages railman?