I Will Deal With It

So if a mother says to a naughty child " I'll deal with you later" does that mean make it disappear?

If you are an honest person and you say you will deal with something later, I expect an honest person would. If you are a lier and conman and you say you will deal with it later chances are you have no intention of dealing with it and are just spinning a line.

Young people need to think hard and long before they committ themselves to going to a University.This is where school advisors/teachers come in, they know who would benefit from a University education and who would be wasting their time.
Clever people from all backgrounds should go, they will only pay back their loans when earning a certain amount once they start work.Those who are not really Uni material should ponder on whether it's a good deal for themselves to go to second rate Uni's doing a media studies or similar course, come out with huge debts and end up taking any old job.Staying at school and doing A levels and then getting a job would be the best course of action for them, or becoming an apprentice.
I really feel that young people have been sold a pup as reagrds Uni's, their futures have been heavily talked up, and then the reality doesn't match the fantasy.

Exactly ninny saying you will deal with a problem means that you will sort it!

Yes, roses, another half-baked aspiration from Tony Blair. (re your post of 16.02)

JC said on NME

'And I don't see why those that had the historical misfortune to be at university during the £9,000 period should be burdened excessively compared to those that went before or those that come after.
'I will deal with it.'

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4722162/Corbyn-admits-no-cost-wiping-student-debts.html#ixzz4nlF7sozS

You are correct Roses. I teach 14-19 year olds and it is very clear some are not cut out for academic study. Some students refuse to hand in homework and only do minimum in lessons and without pressure they would do even less. These students will not achieve in Higher Education where more emphasis is on independent study. We do advice some students it may be best for them to consider an apprenticeship or similar but it often falls on death ears especially with parents. The sad thing is we often hear that XYZ has dropped out after the first year as they failed first year exams. Then they are too old for apprenticeship as employers don't want to pay higher rate. You can get jobs without a degree. My DS1 is a lorry driver and earns approximately £30,000 whereas my DD went to Uni and did masters and earns about the same. She had student debt and he did not. University is not the answer for all.

I see this thread has turned into another JC-slagging thread... he didn't actually say he was going to cancel all student debt - but why do I bother reiterating it?

He certainly promised to abolish student loans 'later this year' if Labour won the GE - if that isn't bribery I don't know what is!

Trisher my students parents pay for their education as I work at an independent school that is not state funded. Education is state funded for all children up until 18. At that point the student becomes an adult not a child. 3x9 are £27,000. At the point my DD did her degree we paid her fees which were about £3500 per year. It was on a scale according to earnings and parents had to pay. We also paid for her accommodation to keep her debt down. She got student loan to pay general expenses and food. However she got career development loan from bank for doing masters another student loan for accommodation and expenses whilst doing masters. Bank loan repaid and student loan almost paid back as she overpays each month to reduce interest. It can be done by careful budgeting. The reason the system changed was because not all parents could/would pay for their child to go to university so government thought that was unfair on student so brought in loans to be repaid by students. Parents could still pay (as they used to do before) and help their child reduce their loans quicker.

There are not enough graduate jobs for all students who graduate. So many end up in jobs they could have had without a degree so debt for nothing.

But they want to go because all their friends are, and it's 'the thing to do'...

Why is criticism of the government acceptable and assumed justified, but criticism of Corbyn is either based in hatred or is dismissed as a slagging thread.

Rather worrying to read women so protective of this man in my opinion.

He is a politician, he is not a saint, he is not above critcism , he does not have every female voter in the country wanting to be his Mummy

My DD is a perfect example of this newnanny . Although she didn't go because any of her friends were going. They didn't and on the whole ended up with better jobs.

If they want to go because all their friends are and its the thing to do then they will have to pay as their friends are. My DS1 had good enough grades to go to university but decided he would be better off driving a lorry which he enjoys so we helped him achieve that and it was a lot cheaper than university fees then or now. We gave him lump sum to cover difference we had given DD. Each child was given the same total amount. DS has job and lump sum and DD has job and still some debt left.

I know a couple of graduates with good degrees in English and history who work in pub on shifts. They have tried for so many jobs but not enough graduate jobs for all graduates. One student who was in my tutor group was a lovely girl who got a first class degree for History and she was really responsible and hard working and would have been an asset to any business, yet could still not get a graduate job and in the end went back to work at Tesco where she had worked part-time whist at Sixth Form. She told me she would have to eventually do their graduate retail training although this was not what she wanted to do but could see no other option.

anniebach I think we all have got your view of Corbyn. You strongly dislike him and his policies! That is absolutely not a problem as each is entitled to their own political opinion. What is tiresome is the repetitive nature of your vitriol!

I do not admire Teresa May's policies. I knew TM about 30 years ago on her journey to becoming PM. She was a local councillor in Merton at the time and we saton the same GB. I did not dislike her personally but totally opposed her political stance. It is possible to oppose policies without using such emotive and malign language.

We could have better political debates if we looked at policy and not personality.

This sums up my DD newnanny she does not use her degree but worked in McDonalds right through uni where she eventually did her retail management training (second to none) . She now works for a well known coffee chain. Using her management training but not her degree.

I haven't really followed this thread because I've not felt up to arguments but I was asked a question earlier. I'm sorry if this has been talked about before.

This is what Corbyn actually said in the interview with the NME. He doesn't say he will write off student debts.

JC: “First of all, we want to get rid of student fees altogether. We’ll do it as soon as we get in, and we’ll then introduce legislation to ensure that any student going from the 2017-18 academic year will not pay fees. They will pay them, but we’ll rebate them when we’ve got the legislation through – that’s fundamentally the principle behind it. Yes, there is a block of those that currently have a massive debt, and I’m looking at ways that we could reduce that, ameliorate that, lengthen the period of paying it off, or some other means of reducing that debt burden. I don’t have the simple answer for it at this stage – I don’t think anybody would expect me to, because this election was called unexpectedly; we had two weeks to prepare all of this – but I’m very well aware of that problem. And I don’t see why those that had the historical misfortune to be at university during the £9,000 period should be burdened excessively compared to those that went before or those that come after. I will deal with it.”

Read more at www.nme.com/features/jeremy-corbyn-interview-2017-cover-feature-labour-2082433#Xj7hxczGXyzFkDvt.99

Regardless of if your students pay or not the question still applies newnanny why is education free until 18 and not after that? Not really to do with being an adult as students can do an extra year in 6th form and pass 18 but no one turns up and charges them!
I really don't care how much your DD owed or is repaying. As a system the loans system is broken. Even the most optimistic forecasters can't see it is going to improve.
The idea that any education is wasted should be an anathema to someone in teaching. Just because you don't use your degree doesn't make it a waste of time. Education is about developing and expanding your mind and should be regarded as an end in itself and not just a step on a career ladder.

Thank you, Vampirequeen.

Actually, Nightowl, having just spoken to my youngest on the phone, I must clarify my post on student debt and mortgage. When she told me it was not taken into account she meant that they said it was never seen as part of income by the earner as, like tax, it comes out automatically. As such the provider has no claim on the property which is what worries mortgage lenders when there is a debt to be cleared tied to the purchase of the house such as a loan to buy from a relative which is not a gift. Apologies for misleading posters.

My DD was asked if she had student debt but not how much it was, so I don't think you were being misleading Devorgilla maybe different lenders look at it differently. Having said that my DD wasn't applying for her first mortgage she was applying to take over an existing joint mortgage she held with her ex partner . No easy thing.

It's only those who care about the truth who watch that video, vampirequeen.
Maybe if we have a couple more pages we should put it on again, and hope that someone else will realise they have been misled once more by the DM.
Not holding my breath, though.

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/07/19/i-m-working-class-and-have-just-dropped-out-of-university-do