Our country post Brexit

www.viva.org.uk/hogwood

This is where Tesco gets its pork from.

including the free range?

No idea, but would you want any pork to be reared in conditions like that?
Is it good enough to say oh, I only buy free range, so it doesn't matter how the rest is reared?

I cannot dictate how people less well off than me feed their families.

No you can't, but you can complain to Tesco about the way their pigs are treated.
If you look at the Tesco welfare pages and compare them to the Viva! link, there is no comparison.

It's not about how people feed their families, it's about animal welfare, surely.

Heavens to murgatroyd jalima they're trying to get us on all fronts.
Thank god we only buy free range meat.
durhamjen
Same reply as jalima @21.41.

MaizieD you are able to afford to patronise a local butcher which gets its meat from local farmers but, as we well know, many many families on low incomes with children to feed cannot do that even if they wanted to.

Durhamjen you have tried to divert the emphasis from nasty EU farming practices to what the UK farmers are doing on one farm here . Why?

Good try anyway

jalima

Actually, jalima, it was YOU who put the link on about Tesco pork.

Sad that you do not see the link, but to be expected.

I've just checked the numbers on the Tesco free range sausages. The plant number does not exist according to the EC Foodmaker site. You are supposed to be able to trace.
They could quite easily be from Hogswood Farm.

Jalima

I live in an area of high deprivation. There are three 'proper' butchers shops locally, 2 practically next door to each other and one in a village about 2 miles away. They are all very well patronised by the far from wealthy locals. I doubt if their prices are much different from 'average' (rather than really cheap) supermarket meats.

Jalima108- I did have good time.

Petra - now you know why "Merseymog" stopped using Buzz50.

What I find difficult to understand is that I often talk to people out and about and on the Fred Olsen Cruise. Generally to people in my own age group - I seldom come across any Brexiteers so I don't know where they are hiding.

So let's get one thing straight before we are bombarded with all the spin from Davis and the Bre xit press in the up coming negotiations.

Barnier has never mentioned a figure on the financial settlement.

Constructive ambiguity (or in Davis's case playing for time in the hope that one day he will understand what he's doing) will undoubtedly be the game that Davis tries to play, but I suspect it will merely irritate Barnier, who continues to warn that nothing can go forward until the three issues of divorce settlement, immigrant and NI are dealt with.

Remind me - how far have those talks progressed?

I don't think that Davis is off the starting blocks.

Referring to the Times article.

This is a known risk from pigs liver and has been known for years! There are instances of this throughout the world where pork is produced, and I suspect it is present in some of the pork produced in the U.K.

Assuming you don't eat raw pork then you are perfectly safe.

This is another example of media hysteria, and if the media rags can associate it with the EU then all to the better.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-24/brexit-bulletin-is-the-u-k-flunking-the-eu-s-test

www.theweek.co.uk/brexit/81116/employers-still-hiring-despite-dip-in-confidence

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/analysis/88461/analysis-we-now-know-governments-brexit-policy-pro

Boris locked in a cupboard and nobody keen to find the key.

news.huffingtonpost.com/t/t-l-kidrwt-naukhjiy-m/

All of us are going to be made worse off if the exodus of EU citizens continues.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mary-creagh/theresa-mays-stance-on-eu_b_17816410.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

An excellent post by Mary Creagh. Shame she's not in the government.

durhamjen
All of us are going to be made worse off if the exodus of eu citizens continues
I'm sure you were happy when Emmanuel Macron won the French election. Now he is showing his true colours.
^Emmanuel Macron has said he is convinced the eu will strike a deal to clamp down on cheap workers moving to western europe
He expects this to be in place by the end of the year.
He has given a warning of the politicle impact of low paid Eastern European workers taking jobs in larger more developed countries.^
That's going to put the eu in a bit of dilemma. They have to keep their French poodle on side, but by doing that they are going to upset a huge Eastern European block.

We need an immigration system that works for our economy, public services and universities; for EU citizens who have made their lives here; and also for the millions of people who voted Leave in the hope of more control over migration. We do need reform. Current EU rules allow us to remove people with no prospect of supporting themselves from this country after a few months. We can learn from other EU countries in finding ways to link public services more closely to contribution. And we should crack down hard on unscrupulous employers who seek to recruit exclusively from the EU when there are British people who would want to apply for available jobs. But all of these remedies are achievable within the Single Market. Ministers should not be pulling out of the world’s biggest trading bloc. Instead, imaginative diplomacy should be able to square the circle of protecting our economy and delivering a fairer immigration system.

This Government’s divisive rhetoric and hard Brexit strategy are driving the Brexodus of EU nationals. They urgently need to change course to deliver an immigration system that works for the whole of Britain, not just the dreams of right-wing Brextremists.

durhamjen
I can't say for sure, but I imagine that a very low proportion of brexiters are in favour of no immigration, that's just plain stupid.

What are you on about, petra?

www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FOpenBritain%2Fvideos%2F1743673019006348%2F&e=9c72ff9a9aedb6ba3b18febaa14059ad&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=obemail52&n=3

Brexit and red tape.

Houston found this link - Keir Starmer article for the Observer.

www.theguardian.com/global/2017/aug/26/labour-calls-for-lengthy-transitional-period-post-brexit?CMP=share_btn_link