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Does anyone else think Trump has a point?

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GracesGranMK2 Wed 16-Aug-17 09:03:18

I am really worried about the idea of re-writing history to suit either left or right and am thinking Trump may have a point.

I would not want Nazis or the KKK marching in my town (I would want the organisations banned, if it were in my country) but surely we have to be even handed if people are breaking the law.

tidyskatemum Wed 23-Aug-17 22:22:36

NOOOOOOOoooooo.. Trump is clearly deranged, as evinced by his rant in Arizona yesterday. We should all be very afraid

GracesGranMK2 Thu 24-Aug-17 09:08:00

I think this is what made my ask the question in my OP. It was a feeling of - surely he must know right from wrong, are we missing something.

whitewave Thu 24-Aug-17 09:23:21

I think the narcissistic personality diagnoses is becoming more and more clear as time goes on.

All his speeches are ever about is himself, and he continuously re-runs the election.

durhamjen Thu 24-Aug-17 12:30:22

www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-protest-detained-secret-service-questions-dissent-us-america-a7908746.html

durhamjen Thu 24-Aug-17 12:31:53

" The Ku Klux Klan has grown faster since Donald Trump’s inauguration than any time in recent memory, a Klan leader has claimed.

“I’ve been doing this for over 20 years and I haven’t seen the Klan grow at the pace it’s growing now,” Chris Barker, an Imperial Wizard of the KKK, told The Independent. “I mean, it’s even hard to keep track of the numbers you’ve got ’cause there’s so many coming in.”

Mr Barker said that after the white supremacist rally in Charlottesville he received 50 applications to join his group in one day. The next day, he received 80.

Mr Barker leads the Loyal White Knights of the KKK, which has less than 200 members. As one of the most active Klan groups in the US, the group takes part in “activism” such as burning crosses, advocating for the murder of immigrants, and distributing leaflets claiming, among other things, “transgender is an abomination”. "

illtellhim Thu 24-Aug-17 12:46:45

Trump a multi - millionaire and the POUSA is deranged no sorry clearly deranged, what have I been doing wrong.

Advice urgently sought, because I've been completely unable to think clearly or behave in a controlled way for all of my life, really, I have.

durhamjen Thu 24-Aug-17 13:02:46

What are you doing on here at 12:46?

illtellhim Thu 24-Aug-17 13:10:48

sorry meant President of the United States of America.

I did say I needed help.

are you sure I'm the same one wink

durhamjen Thu 24-Aug-17 13:13:01

There can only be one called illtellhim.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 24-Aug-17 13:14:55

Do we care?

durhamjen Thu 24-Aug-17 13:15:44

Not at all!

Oriel Thu 24-Aug-17 16:17:13

Ah, yes you would think that illtellhim would be the one and only but rumour has it otherwise - apparently there are three - at least that is what she/he would have us believe.

durhamjen Thu 24-Aug-17 19:26:58

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/russia-probe-email-meeting-trump-putin_us_599ec47ae4b05710aa5a29aa

Jalima1108 Thu 24-Aug-17 20:05:17

I think this is what made my ask the question in my OP. It was a feeling of - surely he must know right from wrong, are we missing something.
Yes, Gracesgran but someone's right could be someone else's wrong.

I still do not believe he should not be invited to the UK, because it is the POTUS we are inviting, irrelevant of who (whom?) holds the office at any one time.

May I go to Alaska now? smile

Jalima1108 Thu 24-Aug-17 20:08:00

ps Gracesgran your OP is correct in a way; I think that we cannot re-write history, pulling down statues etc is a moot point, but we do have to learn from history, try not to make the same mistakes and the statues etc could be a symbol of what people thought in the past and remind us how we think differently now (we hope).

GracesGranMK2 Thu 24-Aug-17 20:26:55

I am glad you feel there is something you can agree with in my OP Jalima1108 (do we have two Jalima's now?). It was very much a question rather than an opinion I was offering.

As for 'someone's right being someone else's wrong' I think perhaps that may be true between cultures but not in one country where the culture is enshrined in the law.

Jalima1108 Thu 24-Aug-17 21:00:54

It may be one country and enshrined in law but one person's life in the USA may be the polar opposite to another person's - even in the same town or city.
And their perception of history may be different but what happened cannot be changed but can be learned from.
iyswim

No, I am the same Jalima1108 - I don't have two GN personae!!

durhamjen Fri 25-Aug-17 22:17:44

"Trump is forcing an internet provider to turn over the personal details of 1.3 million people who visited an anti-Trump website! From anywhere in the world!

But we have 2 days to stop him.

This could impact all of us -- over half of the world's websites are hosted in the US. And Trump can do whatever he wants with the data, like give it to dictator friends to help them crack down on their own citizens.

Lawyers are taking him to court, but they'll focus on the impact on Americans. The judge can also consider the rights of non-US citizens and if we bring a court filing backed by a million people around the world, arguing that our rights are at risk too, it could have a huge impact on the case!

Add your name urgently -- the hearing is on Thursday and Avaaz staff is getting ready to file our brief to the court in front of the media:

Click to stop Trump's Internet takeover

This kind of power would mean that Trump could demand the IP addresses and behaviour of every visitor to Avaaz's website too. Or Wikipedia or Youtube. Under US law, American citizens would have protections for what he can do with their information, but the rest of us would have nothing. It would transform our free internet into a big brother state with Trump at the helm.

We can't let it happen.

Thankfully, US law could stop him if the judge feels like the threat to privacy outweighs Trump's "security" concerns. And the fact that his first victims are visitors to a website directly protesting his power is a mark in our favour. But the argument is even stronger if we can show the danger this power holds for foreign website visitors who have no protection under US law and could be jailed or worse simply for signing a petition!

Let's add our voices now, and make sure the judge knows that their decision will affect the whole world!

Click to stop Trump's Internet takeover

The internet is more than just another issue, it's what empowers our movement to connect as human beings and win strategic fights that lift all of us up. This is our chance to make sure it doesn't get overrun by Trump and his cronies! "

Excellent news. Trump has had to back down on this.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 25-Aug-17 23:12:34

No, I am the same Jalima1108 - I don't have two GN personae!!

I didn't suggest that. I wanted to be aware if there was another one and she might be a very different sort of person.

durhamjen Sat 26-Aug-17 10:25:03

Trump's lost another of his White House staff. They can't decide if he was sacked or resigned.

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gorka-security-clearance-revoke_us_59a0eb66e4b06d67e337bcdb

durhamjen Sat 26-Aug-17 12:06:02

And another one. This is funny, although possibly not to trump.

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-staffer-positive-news-stories-resigns_us_599fbb58e4b0821444c25fad?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

durhamjen Sat 26-Aug-17 12:10:13

This man doesn't think trump had a point.

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/this-holocaust-survivor-noticed-a-detail-in-charlottesville-you-might-have-missed_us_59a09bf8e4b05710aa5c3feb

durhamjen Sat 26-Aug-17 21:32:32

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/corbyn-trump-may-trade-deal_uk_599dc0e9e4b0d97c4000e7e3

whitewave Sun 27-Aug-17 09:13:47

So now the white supremicists and neo Nazis must feel more secure in their racist dealings knowing that their president will grant them a pardon if they are convicted for their fouls deeds.

whitewave Sun 27-Aug-17 11:36:28

Gorka has gone - yippee!!!!

White House is beginning to look quite different.