Jews and racism

Depressing isn't it POGS. Same problems go round and round and nothing gets resolved.

We certainly have been here before, POGS.!

Yes, I believe you, Ab, but what convinces you that there has been a rise of anti-semitism in the LP (and, perhaps, that Chakrabarti's report was a whitewash)?

Mazie, it was the number 83% which shocked and upset me.

Do we really expect to solve problems on Gnet, Chewbacca?

I just hope that people who know more than I do about a topic can offer information that helps me to form a better opinion, or to see a problem from a different angle.

(and to argue the toss a bit...)

Yes, I realise that, Ab. It should shock anyone; but on the other hand, people have so many differing ways of viewing things that it's sometimes hard to know how valid their perceptions are without some understanding of what it is that is worrying them. And without examples I find it difficult to judge.

You have no need to judge me Mazie, I am not here to be judged.

No Maizie I don't expect problems to be solved by GNetters but this thread in particular (I haven't seen previous threads on this subject) has left me saddened and angry that some posters have been almost dismissive that antisemitism is again on the rise in the UK. There have been several posters who demanded examples of instances of antisemitism, as though they don't believe it does actually happen. Those are the same posters who are, quite rightly, outraged at the casual racism that exists. But for some reason, they seem unable or unwilling to accept the fact that Jews are afraid and have good reason to be so. Both I and Iam64 have given examples of antisemitism that has occurred in the Manchester area, where there is a large Jewish community.
I don't believe that brexit is to blame. I don't believe that the labour party is to blame either but I do believe that the labour party, and all other political parties, could be as outspoken and condemnatory of antisemitism as they are about racism. And as 83% of Jews feel the same way, maybe that should be taken on board by JC if he wants to be taken seriously as a politician of conscience.

Maizie d

' I just hope that people who know more than I do about a topic can offer information that helps me to form a better opinion, or to see a problem from a different angle."

Plenty of voices , including Labour MP's , have expressed their opinions over the topic of anti semitism (plenty of threads have spoken about this in the past) but their voices only count if people are prepared to see a problem from a different angle.

Good post Chewbacca

annie
@ 21.36 you posted: lack of honour,decency and love for his party.
I would like to add: lack of love for his country.

May I add "because it's the decent thing for anyone who is in a position of influence to do "?

Petra, it is lack of love for his country and his belief in his outdated politics which causes him to fight to change the UK into a Venezuela or Cuba

Well, I'm not getting any information; not even a link.

And as we're descending into a Corbyn hatefest again I'm out of here.

Goodnight

Well Maizie I provided a link at 21.29 but here it is again:

semitism-jeremy-corbyn-inquiry-shami-chakrabarti-yougov-poll-a7902251.html

Or this

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/british-jews-believe-labour-too-tolerant-of-anti-semitism_uk_599986fce4b0a2608a6ccd6f

Or this

www.theguardian.com/world/video/2016/feb/22/we-are-feeling-more-and-more-unsafe-tackling-antisemitism-in-manchester-video

A lot of people world wide hate Jews, and the UK is no different. Goodness only knows why, it's completely incomprehensible to me, but sadly if we're honest, it's as true now as it ever has been, and depressingly probably always will.

Mazie, you need to accept Corbyn is not a sacred cow , not superman, not the second coming

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Move on? Ok, then say the same to the far left posters who critcise May

What?

I don't think you need to be far left to criticise May - middle ground would be far enough to do that!

Yet more diversion of thread topic

That's as maybe Weshwife, but you name just one other politician in any party who could do any better?!

Annie's definition of "far left" is possibly a bit farther right than most peoples .
I still say that when there are demonstrations by far right groups it is the Labour Party, the unions and far left groups who turn out to counter their hate message. Of course this never gets quite as much publicity as one Labour MP claiming anti-semitic abuse in a meeting. If you were conspiracy minded or thought the media biased, you might think this was quite deliberate, and it certainly might explain the 83%

Might explain the 83% are not capable of reaching a decision without help from the media ? Doubt it.