Jews and racism

From higher up this thread I want to say I really do appreciate the empathy and understanding expressed by a number of GNetters. Thank you for your supportive words.

theres a huge difference between anti ZIONISM and anti semitism..I'm definately against some of the policies and attitudes of the Israeli government/state.I am NOT anti semitic..in any way ,I do find the treatment of the Palestinian people abhorrent though...especially given the Jewish peoples were themselves treated so badly The world of course turns a blind eye to this as it does to any ill treatment of people who have nothing of any worth...ie.no oil etc .Shame on us all for standing by and letting these atrocities take place

I think the Labour Party has a responsibility to allow the conversation about anti Semitism to happen, so that it's able to attract voters from and is able to represent that section of a community.

This thread was started not to attack the Labour Party but in the hope there would be a discussion as to why 83% felt let down by the party. But as usual the far left go on the defensive and divert any discussion away from any criticism the voter makes against the party,

I agree, and some have turned things into a rant about the right/ far right when it is a discussion of the Labour Party and their lacklustre response to accusations of anti-semitism.
I wonder why??

If this were a discussion about the Conservative Party I wouldn't expect to be hearing about other things/people/Parties.
In fact, this over defensiveness of the Labour Party is exactly the stance of the Labour Party Leadership themselves regarding accusations of anti-semitism.

Possibly 83% believe the Labour Party is not doing enough to support them because the LP doesn't take part in demonstrations against far right groups.

And there it is again!

trisher your posts are incorrigible!

www.opendemocracy.net/transformation/ae-elliott/assemble-ye-trolls-rise-of-online-hate-speech

This thread was only started to attack the Labour party " Good grief, get over yourselves! Perhaps it's worth considering that if the Labour party had stepped up to the plate and made its condemnation of antisemitism perfectly clear, instead of using weasel words to fudge their way around supporting hamas, there would be no need for you to be so defensive. And as for brexit being responsible for antisemitism.... is there anything that you don't blame brexit for? Racism and antisemitism has gone on for years, long before brexit was ever thought of. But what an own goal for the labour party who missed the opportunity to outright condemn antisemitism as vociferously and loudly as it has condemned racism. Instead all your left with is blaming brexit.

I am trying to find out what form the 'anti-semitism' in the Labour Party takes.

Iam64 has described some forms that anti-semitism can take but the actions she described cannot be specifically ascribed to the Labour Party. That's why I asked if anti-Zionism is being equated with anti-semitism.

Given that anti-semitism does, shamefully, exist in the general population I wouldn't be surprised to find that some LP members are anti-semitic, but I don't understand why it is viewed as being systemic solely within the LP when people with similar views could equally exist within all the other parties.

What is marking the LP out as having a specific and serious problem? Is it anti-Zionism?

Do you, Ab, have any specific examples which might help me to understand?

I would add that I see anti-semitism as a racist issue, but, like paddyann, I see anti-Zionism as something distinctly different.

I think it is, MaizieD and those people within the Labour Party hierarchy are equating anti-Zionism with Jewish people generally, and therefore spreading anti-Semitism.

Maisie, I am a Christian so never personally experience anti semitism

Well, that's one theory, lemongrove, but I'm not sure that I'd believe that the whole party has turned anti-semitic just because of the anti-Zionist views of some of its leaders. Their last leader was of Jewish descent; was it happening under his leadership? Is it possible to 'turn' a whole party in 2 years?

Hammas commit atrocities too paddyanne. Constantly reiterating the desire to annihilate a nation and exterminate its people is hardly the act of a government wishing to live peacefully with its neighbour!

But you have followed developments closely, haven't you, Ab, as an LP member? Have you no examples of what you deplore (apart from Corbyn's 'friendship' with Hamas)

No they aren't lemongrove I am not even advocating anti-Zionism -which is incidentally directly related to Judaism and therefore anti-semitic.

No, not the whole Party of course, but the present Labour Leadership, who were close to Hamas in the past, generally dislike Israel and the US ( or certainly give that impression)
And what happens at the top of any organisation does percolate down through the ranks.

Deploring the actions of a State does not mean that you feel hatred for all the people who comprise the State.

Maizie, i heard the report on the news and was shocked ,i posted what had been reported , I was not invited to answer the survery but as I have said I am a Christian .

I am loyal to the party, the Labour Party, have never given up my membership even through the tough times.

Just some here like to make it so personal to defend the leader. Accept the following please

1. I do not hate Corbyn

2. I have never hated the party, always been loyal to the LABOUR party.

3. I do not trust Corbyn and Truly believe he wants to turn the party into a communist party under the guise of a socialist party.

"Over 80 per cent of British Jews believe Labour is too tolerant of anti-Semitism within its ranks, poll finds
The poll also found that a further 65 per cent of respondents believe the Government does not do enough to protect British Jews, while 52 per cent said the Crown Prosecution Service could do more"

semitism-jeremy-corbyn-inquiry-shami-chakrabarti-yougov-poll-a7902251.html

Haven't we been here before? A few threads on the subject actually, here's just one for reference.

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/a1224359-Anti-Semitism-in-Labour-Party-and-Universities

It's interesting sometimes to read 'old' threads and see how old thread subjects become current news once more from time to time, Rotherham, anti-semitism, Royal family etc. etc.

And interesting to see how easy for some to trust Corbyn until they are given proof of his lack of honour, decency and love for the party.