Jews and racism

So whats the alternative to peace niggly a thousand years of conflict, a people stripped of their language, their country occupied, their customs suppressed? We tried that with the Irish you know and look where that got us.

Gaza is not occupied by Israel and perhaps if Hammas the elected government would refrain from threatening Israel at every opportunity with the avowed intent of destroying it, all the horrors that Hammas keep alive and well for their own agenda could be alleviated. No, there has never been a Palestinian state!

Not with patronising people Trisha, they are always right - their opinion- sarcastic and at times rather offensive, it's their way or no way

Palestine existed in 135 CE. It still exists.

Roseyapple - thanks from me too for your posts. Helping to give a more balanced view.
We've visited Israel 3 times but never lived there.
The thing that has always struck me about Israel is how tiny it is. Compared with the numbers and sizes of the Arab states surrounding them.

The area was occupied by the Turks from 15? to the end of WW1, then the British ran the area till 1948 after the creation of Israel. The non Jewish population were to have had their own country called Palestine but this was impossible because Israel was within days attacked by surrounding Arab states and the rest is history. Ironically up till then the occupants of these lands had always lived peacefully alongside each other. Just a pity it couldn't have stayed that way.

I didn't say Gaza was occupied by Israel niggly it is blockaded by the Israelis with all ports closed and all supplies passing through check points. There are opinions that the blockade is effectively reducing living conditions to the equivalent of the Middle Ages. There have been many appeals to ask for medical supplies to be allowed in and some restrictions have been relaxed, but the situation remains dire. The occupied territories are land over run by Israel and since colonised by them.
From Wiki
The International Court of Justice,[1] the UN General Assembly[2] and the United Nations Security Council regards Israel as the "Occupying Power".[3] UN Special Rapporteur Richard Falk called Israel's occupation "an affront to international law."[4] The Israeli High Court of Justice has ruled that Israel holds the West Bank under "belligerent occupation".[5] According to Talia Sasson, the High Court of Justice in Israel, with a variety of different justices sitting, has repeatedly stated for more than four decades that international law applies to Israel's presence in the West Bank.[6] Israeli governments have preferred the term "disputed territories" in the case of the West Bank.[7][8] Officially Israel maintains that the West Bank is disputed territory.[9]
Palestine isn't a huge state and its people are denied basic human rights NOTHING can justify such treatment.

Wonder if 87% think the Labour Party too tolerant of anti semitism because Corbyn has said Hamas are his friends

Annie - I said that ages ago (? page 2?)

Palestine isn't a state!!

Sorry triciaF

You get very angry about that, niggly.
Perhaps you could tell us what Palestine is, according to you, because it definitely is a state according to the 135 UN nations that recognise it.
Can you explain why you get so angry.

If we're honest the whole problem stems from the world wide hatred of Jews, going back well into the mists of time! Could be why they tend to be a bit twitchy and over react!!

Two exclamation marks mean someone is 'so angry'? Must remember that...

Some interesting posts and I enjoyed the one about Jesus' brother James who 'ran the Essene community' which sounds like a day centre.? Vegetarian, ? Nobody knows but it certainly can't be claimed.

No t doesn't niggly most people do not hate Jews, do not hate the Israelis but do recognise the need to recognise the human rights of all regardless of colour, race or creed and when they see human rights abuse they speak out. Suppose the situation was reversed and Israelis were being blockaded by Palestinians would you find that acceptable? I doubt it. Neither would I and I find the present situation just as unacceptable. It is nothing to do with Jews and in fact many Jews dislike the attitude of Israel
If you are interested sites.google.com/site/jewsagainstracistzionism/

Hatred of Jewsish people within Europe probably stemmed from them being moneylenders, from doing it in a small way to a big way, also very successful merchants.
It's a sad situation that anti-semitism hasn't been stamped out by now.

And it doesn't look optimistic that anti semitism will end any time soon, judging from some posts on this thread, lemongrove .

They became moneylenders partly because most other sources of income were denied to them. Not allowed to hold land etc. Also there's no getting away from some of them are very clever with money - survival of the fittest?
I don't think it will ever be stamped out - envy, and fear of the unknown.
As with other kinds of racism.

So what's your solution Chewbacca? Instead of making snide remarks without naming or explaining what you mean perhaps you could explain what would help to eradicate anti-semitism and other racism. What I see on this thread is a lot of "Holier than thou" posts that do nothing to examine the question or to suggest a way forward.
I also see people who regard one group of people as being more worthy of consideration than another group, and I find that absolutely abhorrent.

trisher - your anger about the Palestinian people comes over loud and clear. To suggest though that those who are anxious about the rise of antisemitism somehow are people who "regard one group of people as being more worthy of consideration than another group" as something you find 'absolutely abhorrent' suggests that those of us who don't share your world view are somehow lacking in either intelligence or compassion.
Your comparison with what's happening between the Israeli's and the British involvement in Ireland also seems to me to be a poor one. The British Empire was of its time. As long as I've been alive, the British Government, the Irish Republicans and the Unionist groups have been making attempts to do the least worst in their attempts to resolve a situation that was not of their making. These attempts are hampered by a small minority who can't let go of the past, who seek a perfect solution that suits their agenda. That doesn't exist. There are no easy solutions to complex problems. Hamas isn't perfect, nor is the Israeli government.

Anti semitism is as old as time. Jewish people were unable to own property so they became tailors, money lenders etc to use their skills and make a living. The money lending underpins the stereotype of wealthy Jews.

Racism will never be stamped out unless everyone on this earth has a labotomy perhaps. You cannot change human nature, there will always fear, always be freed, always be lust for power.

All we can do is not harbour these negative emotions and Christians must follow Christ's teachings

Frankly trisher I'm past caring what you find abhorrent. I posted my opinions, and experiences, of the antisemitism that I've witnessed and been aware of when visiting Jewish friends. I've been appalled and disgusted at the suggestion that as only 17% of Jews in Britain are unhappy, then that's not so bad. My solution to antisemitism would be for condemnation to be as vociferous and loud, from all political parties, as it is for all the other minorities. But that's not going to happen is it whilst JC is so tolerant of antisemitism?
And what you think are my "snide remarks", are in fact the remarks of a poster who is weary of seeing such energy being posted by left wing apologists who appear to have double standards for particular strata of society. And if that upsets you, so be it.

Thanks Tricia F. Yes, a minute country - about the area of Belgium or Wales. Come back and see us again soon!

I have no 'double standards' Chewbacca I abhor racism, and anti semitism, but I do not think simply condemning it will ever completely eradicate it. It is necessary to examine the sources of the ideas that are behind it, understand them and demolish them. Instead of condemning Corbyn it would help if we really looked at why people put bricks through windows and scrawl slogans because it isn't members of the Labour party who are doing this. This whole issue of how anti-semetic the Labour Party is or isn't is as nothing compared with the rise of very real racism and right wing groups in society.
I have suggested that dealing with one of the issues they use to justify their beliefs would help to reduce anti-semitism and stop recruitment to their ranks. Arguably this would do far more to help than asking perfectly reasonable people to go around condemning other perfectly reasonable people who have slightly different ideas about a subject, but stick to your ideas and continue to agonise about how anti-semetic the Labour Party might or might not be. Unfortunately this is unlikely to make a scrap of difference to the attacks you profess to care about.