NHS

Because they cover the years before your chart!
Can you post a link to the Kings Fund report, as they have produced thousands?

Just go on www.fullfact.org and search for King's Fund.
You'll find it among that.
Of course, you won't because you don't believe fullfact.

Sorry Jen, that gives nearly 100 results.
Can you just not post the link to the Kings Fund report the graph comes from?
You usually post so many links, it feels strange asking you to post one!

I have no problem with fullfact or the Kings Fund, I'm just interested in what else the report says

King's Fund got it from quarterly figures from 2004 to present on NHSE statistics spreadsheet. Actual figures were not given by NHS before then.

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/11/nhs-patients-dying-in-hospital-corridors-doctors-tell-theresa-may

Are you going to say these doctors aren't telling the truth, either?

So you don't have a link then?
I don't know why you now think that I think they're not truthful. Perhaps instead of trying to explain it, you could just post the link and I could read it and make up my own mind?
I can't find it anywhere on the Kings Fund site. It doesn't seem to be the same as any of their other charts.

No, I don't have the link as I remove emails when I've got what I want from them, otherwise my computer is so slow.

I really couldn't care less if you can't be bothered to look for it or not. It's not my problem.
It's on the thread. There are links to King's fund on fullfact.

What do you say about the Guardian letter signed by doctors in many A&Es in England?

This is something else that annoys me, as well.
The number of times you hear both Hunt and May say the NHS has been judged the best in the world. It hasn't for years.

fullfact.org/health/has-nhs-been-judged-best-healthcare-system-world/

The reports never differentiate between private healthcare and the NHS.

But it's not a FullFact chart - they have a different style and are reporting a different set of figures. (One attached)

It's not a Kings Fund chart either - they have a different style and are reporting different numbers for A&E that match FullFact. It would be unusual for them to compare Tory vs Labour too, as they value their independence and it could be misconstrued.

There's no need to get angry with me - I have bothered to look for it, but searching through over 1,000 reports is ridiculous, especially when you seem to be pointing me in the wrong direction.

fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/

Smoke and mirrors. They pretend they are spending enough on the NHS, but they obviously are not.

Not comparing Tory and Labour. They are using the figures from NHSE which is from 2004 to 2017, and more than the Nuffield one you use.

Not angry. Not bothered, that's all.
Why are you trying to prove it wrong?

What do you have to say about the A&E doctors letter?
Nothing again, I see.

The only link I'm interested in Jen is the one you seem to be unable to provide.
As an aside, deleting emails won't speed up your PC. Your emails will be hosted in the cloud by your email provider - they're never really 'on' your PC if you use a web based email service.

I'm not trying to prove anything wrong! I just wanted to read the article that accompanied the chart, so that it was in context.
I should have known better than to be interested in something you posted. I've learnt my lesson the hard way.

Pathetic.
You're not normally so interested in my links.

But that's the whole point Jen. There was no link.
That's what caught my interest.

weownit.org.uk/act-now/nhstakeback-action

Find out if your MP has signed up to take back the NHS. Write to him/her if not.

weownit.org.uk/act-now/nhstakeback-action

Durhamjen, I signed the letter. Thanks.

Primrose I think the links below should provide you with the information -

Autumn Budget 2017 What it means - Kings Fund
Autumn Budget 2017 Joint Statement - Nuffield Trust, the Health Foundation and The King’s Fund - pdf link on this page here

The King’s Fund published its first quarterly monitoring report in April 2011 and the link below is to the latest report (24th) -

NHS Performance Quarterly Report November 2017

wilma I saw that. It makes for such depressing reading, on a number of levels, not least knowing that the deliberate underfunding is crushing the NHS

Thanks, Alexa.

Next financial year is going to be the crunch year, according to that joint statement, Wilma.

www.kingsfund.org.uk/press/press-releases/4-billion-needed-next-year-to-stop-nhs-care-deteriorating

Somehow, I can't see the government providing that extra £4 billion.

Have you noticed, too, how few CCGs and trusts bother responding. Obviously if they don't respond, the King's Fund can't know why; possibly because of a feeling of despondency, that no matter how often they are told how bad things are, the government does nothing about it.

More trusts signed up to the letter in the Guardian than the King's Fund report.

Education blends into health and social welfare at various points.

Incentives to take responsibility for own health and welfare , which Conservatives desire, is not possible without an educated public.

What, precisely, is the aspect of education which trains people to take up these responsibilites?

I studied speech patterns as part of a linguistics course. There is evidence that speech patterns have a causal effect upon feelings of personal autonomy, besides reflecting those feelings or the comparative lack of them. NB I'm not referring to regional dialects. It used to be the case that, apart from poetry and creative writing, most of language that the student was supposed to use in class was explicit and objective.