NHS

Primrose
You may find the following link interesting (apologies if it has been linked previously, there are rather a lot of posts to wade through:
www.nhsconfed.org/resources/key-statistics-on-the-nhs

His study of advanced speech patterns didn't help Toby Young, did it?
Boris's grasp of the classics just makes him seem more of an idiot than he already is.
I wonder what Hunt studied.

Bit childish durhamjen......but I imagine they all did better with their studies than Corbyn.

I think his mother would have been despairing of him at the time, lemongrove, she was a very clever and well-educated woman - perhaps he's a late developer?

Toby Young didn't, though. He was helped by his dad. It's called nepotism.
I don't know why, because that comes from the Latin word for cousin. Paternalism is not the same.

After we finally leave the EU the best course of action re the NHS would be a cross party committee to put reccommendations to the House and it be voted upon IMHO.
All the NHS has been doing is stumbling along from year to year with a postcode lottery as to what care you will receive.
The population has gone up amazingly and new treatments being offered all the time.Some areas are growing quickly, my own village is now the population of a small town ( in five years!) with strain on GP surgery etc.and hospital.

You can teach some people for ever and they will never be educated. It isn't all about passing exams lemongrove an education should develop an individual's talents and abilities and continues throughout life.
Let's hope Toby has learned something (if only to keep quiet).
Boris and Hunt are both stuck.
And much has been said about how Corbyn has changed since his appointment as leader.

I don't know if a father can award a first in PPE though, even if, as we know, they can 'help' children gain university places (or could in those days).

His basic intelligence level can’t change trisher though.

Meant to add....though I agree, passing exams isn’t everything.

Except...in the case of a doctor !

How can you have a cross-party committee on the NHS? Tories want to abolish it, Labour want to keep it and improve it.

Thanks for the links!

His basic intelligence level can’t change trisher though.

Nor can your knowledge apparently Lemons. It is now an accepted fact that intelligence is plastic (Adey and Shayer ‘Learning Intelligence‘).

passing exams isn’t everything

Of course it isn't but it is proof of knowledge. Some people without that proof think they have the same level of knowledge, some will, some certainly don't and a few may even have more knowledge in a specific area.

Just out of interest, what is the point of saying "passing exams isn't everything"? What meaning does it have in the context of this thread? Just interested as I said.

I know the state of the NHS is not funny, but....

www.independent.co.uk/voices/nhs-crisis-winter-theresa-may-austerity-cuts-beds-all-going-to-plan-a8154161.html

going to plan is such rubbish that if you didn't laugh you'd cry. I heard a nurse on Any Answers today saying that if these cancellations were planned it was a waste of money, and upsetting for patients, to be sent any appointments or admission dates for January.

That's what I thought when I first heard that, Lazigirl. Why give people appointments if you plan to cancel them?
They could have just been given appointments for February or March. But that probably wouldn't have given them the figures they need for treatment times.

There was a very long comment after Mark Steel's article, telling him off! Somebody doesn't have a sense of humour - or has private healthcare.

This is it.
"There is no evidence that the Tories are trying to run down the NHS. In fact it was a Tory minister in 1944 who proposed we have it in the first place. He was part of wide consensus across all parties on the matter this time. The NHS was initially funded in part by the Americans. Without the Marshall Plan we couldn't have afforded it in 1948. The doctors it should be noted were against it initially & had to be bribed. Our GP system is a relic of that. The issue of dentistry is another relic as well. Since then there has always been a difference between how the Tories & Labour had wanted to run it. Labour favors the top down approach with it being run from Whitehall, whilst the Tories have wanted it to be much more decentralized. In the 1980's Mrs Thatcher wanted to fund it via a social insurance model as others health systems are in Europe but was talked out of it by Kenneth Clarke. After 20 meetings she became convinced that he was right & that she wasn't. Today because of an ageing population we are going to have to increase its funding along with social care as a proportion of GDP. Many are convinced of that on all sides of our political mainstream though the Treasury are holding out at the moment as bean counters do. So, Mark, can we have a proper debate on this subject this time rather than yet another puerile one, just for once? "

There are proper debates all over the place. It's just that Hunt and May don't listen.
Obviously this person has never heard of Mark Steel.

Anyway, Ralf Little wants a proper debate with Hunt, but Hunt won't do it.

GG you are so predictable!
I was answering, and partly agreeing with trisher but in your eagerness to jump in boots first you didn’t read her post.

Perhaps you need to sort your thoughts out, lemon, so they all go in the same post instead of three or four at a time.

Giving orders to posters now dj ?

Of course, you never post more than one comment/link at a time hey?