Corbyns Torque

In 2001 Welsh Water became a not-for-profit organisation with no shareholders. This differentiates it from all the other Water companies operating in England and restores it to the same organisational status as water supply utilities in Scotland and the pre-privatisation water supply undertakings in England.

That sounds interesting. Did they have to take over any debt and have they paid that off?

annie clean beaches are as a result of EU legislation.

What will a communist Labour Party have to do to change the system annie or are you not entirely clear on that point?

but not everywhere in the UK is doing as well unfortunately:
www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/23/uk-bathing-water-ranks-next-from-last-eu-beach-table

Ireland was worse.

I don't know Jalima, just pleased with Dwr Cymru and wouldn't want to go back to the way it use to be

Seems some companies are ignoring EU legislation

I am genuinely interested Jalima and lemongrove to know which services you feel are better provided by the private sector following de-nationalisation. I’m not trying to point score, I’m intrigued.

Beaches are more interesting than Corbyn , on a thread headed Corbyn Same old tatics ?

I don't think anyone believes renationalisation is an easy process and where it has happened around the world the utilities involved were critically failing. We're not at that stage yet with any nationalised utility. But by putting renationalisation on the agenda at least the Labour Party is promising to make major changes to try to improve the current situation instead of the sticking plaster approach we have now. Plus it has laid out staged plans, it's not proposing some mass dictatorial take over.

And I'm not so naive to think full renationalisation is even likely, but something needs to be done. Every government looks at countries around the world for models which work well. The Japanese railway is privatised, but it works well because it is not run in isolation from the infrastructure around it. The building industry and the railways are integrated so the railways support the local communities and businesses.

annie you could get the thread back on track by describing what a communist Labour U.K. would look like

Annie I think your post 11:33 is absurd. You are catestrophising and it's clear nothing I can say will make you change your mind.

Correct Wilma, nothing you say in defence of .Momentum will change my mind , and please leave personal remarks out of posts to me, I am not catestrophising, I , like you , am posting my views

whitewave, I will post as I wish within the rules of the forum., please do not tell me what to post, anyway you have more than enough to do correcting posters spelling and typing errors, so just stick to one thing at a time yes?

Ah! as I expected. You have no idea what a communist Labour U.K. will look like because it won’t happen, and nothing in Corbyns, Momentum or McDonnells rhetoric indicates that is what will happen.

You hide behind excuses.

Corbyn tweeted

“ there has been a 14% rise in crime. May has taken 21,000 police off the streets”

Mind reading whitewave?

Blair did continue and expand PFI projects but that was a natural progression for him because he and Brown went along with the notion of soft touch financial regulation, the pursuance of private finance initiatives and the ditching of many of the aspirations and associations of "Old Labour".

I, and many on the left of the Labour Party, did not think the PFI arrangements were a good move. In Blair's defence, I suppose it could be argued that the Conservatives had left schools and hospitals in such a terrible state that something had to be done. Our right wing media would have relished the Labour Party using public money to rebuild hospitals and schools and would have loudly accused it of reckless financial management. However, as a former Bank of England officer said on Question Time the other week, it would have been far more sensible for the then Labour government to have borrowed at low rates to build new schools and hospitals, than to saddle the country with extremely uneconomic and inefficient PFI deals, for which we continue to pay outrageous sums of money.

It is those on the right of the Labour Party that have championed these sorts of arrangements and those on the left of the party who distrusted and did not want them.

Whatever is felt regarding Blair's and Brown's decision to enter into PFI arrangements, it was not the Labour Party who sold off in their entirety the country's water and energy to private companies.

Annie my remark wasn't personal. If I had written that you were absurd, that would have been personal. And you are catestrophising. You are imagining the worst case scenario. Any communists supporting Corbyn or the Labour Party are doing so because it's probably the only way to get a left wing government. I don't mean far left, just left wing.

We don’t know what a Communist Labour UK would look like ( although we would have a good idea) but Corbyn and McDonnell have given us a pretty good idea of how a Marxist /Marxist lite Labour UK would look like!
Privatisation of as much as they can get their hands on and massive (as in really massive) borrowing that would make the Conservatives look like misers. Raising taxes for the low paid as well as the well paid. Giving the unions whatever they want. Allowing the benefits culture to creep back in to the bloated thing it used to be.Being the enemy of anything other than ‘small’ business and trying to chase the wealthy out, (while not realising that wealth is needed.) Therefore putting up corporation tax.
It could take the UK a long time to recover from that.
Goodness knows what other stuff they would do, they are keeping that under wraps for the moment.

And we've got it so good right now lemongrove.

To me it was personal Wilma and I was on the receiving end

It's going to take the UK decades to recover from what's happened in the UK since 2010 and what's going to happen when we leave the EU. Decades.

I'm not going to apologise if you chose to read it that way. I have stated quite clearly that I do not agree my post included a personal remark. You appear to read a lot of posts as making personal remarks about you. Perhaps you should reconsider the way you look at what is written.

That isn’t communism lemon and love your concept of communist lite .

I could well say that May is a closet fascist it is just as meaningless.

It’s taken a long time to get over what happened with the banks Wilma it was said at the time it would take decades.
I think that sometimes people forget how bad things could have been for us.
Luckily the next GE is years away, we need that time to leave the EU and plan our future,without worrying about what JC has planned for us.
When you look at many countries who suffered from the financial crash, we are doing better than some.