any thoughts?
Being part of the single market means that we can’t control numbers and any country that is trying to do that is in flagrant breach of EU laws.Free movement of goods and labour is an inherent part of being in the single market.
So what does this mean Lemons or has you been told a Leave Lie about this too?
Unlike most other EU member states—and some countries outside the EU—the UK is not part of the Schengen passport-free area because it hasn’t signed the Schengen agreement. This means it can retain border controls.
This is something our parliament has chosen to do - using our sovereignty.
But the UK does operate the Schengen Information System (SIS) which allows the UK to exchange information with Schengen countries for the purposes of cooperating on law enforcement.
Not a bad thing in my opinion or are you now saying we should not be doing this? Perhaps Leavers might even want to continue it? Or perhaps you could tell me why not.
Concern over immigration was one of the most important factors for those who voted for Brexit, yet we already have the power to take back control of the free movement of EU citizens to the UK – we just aren’t using it. Both major political parties’ front benches, and even cabinet members, are divided when it comes to whether Britain should remain in the single market, which entails allowing free movement of people within the EU. But the reality of immigration in Britain today is a far cry from the public’s perception.
That's not me saying it so you are allowed to believe it.
This points out, yet again, that is was our government, not the EU that runs the system as it is. You cannot tell me exact figures about who comes in and who goes out because our government, unlike other governments, choose not to do the work.
^We lost control over our borders almost two decades ago. In 1998, Tony Blair removed exit checks. Nobody checks your passport once you have gone through security at an airport, as they do in virtually every other country in the world. As a result, we have no robust way of knowing exactly who has left this country. The government cannot even provide figures for illegal immigrants in the UK who are not detained to the nearest quarter of a million.
*Why doesn’t the government implement these exit checks?*^
Leaving the EU because you have believed the Leavers Lies will not improve the situation. It is, and always was, down to our government. Throw them out for not doing what you wanted not the EU who had no control over what they did or did not do!
So can someone remind me what is Nigel Farrage up to now ??
What ever it is, it can only mean more mayhem ( but not of that lady’s making)
Going round with a begging bowl?
www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/15/ukip-edged-towards-bankruptcy-by-judges-decision-on-legal-costs
If UKIP go bankrupt he can't even go back to them, can he...
Nigel Farage, the former leader, told The Telegraph that UKIP is sending itself ‘down the path of self-destruction into irrelevance’.
He said: ‘Make no mistake, UKIP is collapsing. There is no point in pretending it is not. Indeed, the situation is even worse than the national press realises.’
Vote of no confidence in Bolton tomorrow.
Will they need a leader from now on?
How does he sleep at night,? he fooled so many people,my elderly Mum thought he was almost the new Mesiah, she feels very let down & disappointed that she was taken in by him.
Nigel Farage is on Question Time either next Thursday or the one after. Should be interesting.
Why does this odious man still have a voice 
,,,?
I think it's called democracy.
I was going to say 'Well, Henry's gone then' but I see that djen has beaten me to it!
I'm puzzled why he gets so much air time too. He's MEP for the South East. Has a radio phone-in programme. Seems he ditched UKIP when it was no longer of use to him. I assume it's because his views are controversial.
His views aren't controversial I agree with most he says and I expect most people who voted Leave do as well. His radio show on LBC on Sunday morning is very popular. I think Ukip is finished now, most Ukip supporters will in my opinion vote Conservative now May is delivering Brexit.
He has a radio show Mon-Thurs evenings and Sunday evenings on LBC.
Sorry - yes it’s on Sunday mornings but at the moment JRM is filling that slot.
I wonder just how many people are actually interested in what Nigel Farage is up to now.
Jalima 'I think it's called democracy.'
...do you think 'democracy' should make Farage the joint second panellist on a political debate programme? How Democratic is it to have him again and again? I believe 42nd time ?
To revert to fascism (seeing as my comments on this were mightily pooh poohed earlier in this thread). I'm not the only person in the world who thinks that the UK is moving dangerously towards it. Reading Richard North's excellent 'EU Referendum' blog item for today I thought this comment on it struck a chord:
Now I'm certainly not a leftie in any way but the farageist approach to the referendum and to a lesser extent Johnson and gove's approach is straight out of the fascist play book. This is to get people into an emotional tumult through promoting fear of the "other" and then pivot on this confused tribalism to promote their true agenda which is the one Richard has described today. A referendum is particularly vulnerable in these circumstances especially with an electorate who are more used to representative democracy
These guys are not even fascist in the true sense, but their methods have been and it's been this that's led to the unprecedented polarisation that we've seen since the referendum
This polarisation is not an unfortunate side effect of the referendum campaign - it is actually a consciously used tactic to drive through the agenda. The ultra coalition have since used attacks against enemies within such as remainers, judges, mp's, the House of lords, fifth columnists in the civil service to sustain the tribalism, keep things off balance and continue to push through their agenda which is weakening (not that it was very strong or capable) the democratic safeguards in the system.
At the moment the safeguards are just about holding and they don't have a free run. But it is this trajectory that worries and animates a lot of remainers like myself and it is also this trajectory that is the enemy of a rational and democratic brexit as supported by the people I encounter on here.
Blog is here and the discussion of fascism is the first item in the comments section:
www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86775
Ukip appeared on almost one in four of the BBC’s flagship Question Time programmes in the past seven years - despite never having more than two MPs.
Huff Post UK analysis of the the 258 regular Question Time shows since May 6 2010 shows the anti-EU party had a representative on 24% of the programmes.
The Greens, who unlike Ukip have had an MP consistently in the last seven years, only appeared on 7% of the shows.
Green Party co-leader Jonathan Bartley today called on all broadcasters to give Ukip less coverage, especially now its only MP has quit.
Bartley said: “Now that Ukip have no representation in the House of Commons they should certainly expect less television coverage.
“For too long now they’ve been given a disproportionate amount of airtime and I fully expect the broadcasters to review the amount of time they give what is essentially an extra-parliamentary pressure group.
Democracy should represent the make-up of the country- and the BBC as official channel, even more so.
Great post Maizie, thanks.
Two good posts from maize and jura
Why does this odious man still have a voice
I think it's called democracy.
jura
I was in fact responding to Tegan who merely asked why Farage still had a voice and was not asking why he was allowed to use it so often on television.
Now, of course, you have informed me of the number of times he has appeared on QT, it would appear that it is disproportionate to the number of MPs that UKIP had, although, of course, the number of MPs that UKIP had was not in proportion to the number of votes they received. Had we had proportional representation there would have been far more UKIP MPs.
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