Jeremy Paxman says 'no votes for pensioners'

Well that proved a point I suppose.

I said, ' fouled up THE vote,' not THEIR vote. There is a difference!

Paxman ( I think ) wanted the vote to go his intellectual way and it didn't because the people out there in the real world see the world as it is not how they want it to be. Just as remainers got it very wrong before the vote they are making wild speculations about what will happen after we leave. To every reason against there is an equal and opposite reason for.

We have to speculate because nobody knows what will happen after we leave, not even Brexiteers, whatever they pretend to you.

"We have to speculate because nobody knows what will happen after we leave, not even Brexiteers, whatever they pretend to you."

Hallelujah!

Pity that one sentence is not on every Brexit thread .

As you say 'Nobody knows' yet some persist in saying 'they know it all'.

Amazing how you are all fixated on the Brexit vote. That ship has sailed and it might be nice if some of you could acually read the article and respond about the future and how you think your vote is helping young people. Except you can't, because it isn't.

But we do know how much the economy and our lives have improved since we joined the EU POGS.

Every single criticism I have heard of the EU was actually nothing to do with them - except the misplaced emotions. The problems have been caused by our governments - no one else.

You are asking us to bet on our very good future against a your fantasy.

Apologies if this has been said before as haven't read the whole thread [I know I should; I usually do] but, from what I've heard, Paxman is a staunch Tory but is totally opposed to brexit. I guess his comment was a way of getting back at the people he felt were responsible for the referendum result. But I could be wrong....

I've known it all along, POGS. It's a shame Wally only accuses the remainers of speculation. Lemon does that, too.

Remainers do not need to speculate as much as Brexiteers. We knew what it was like to be in the EU.
Brexiteers are just guessing about what it will be like to be outside the biggest trading block in the world.

GG MK 2

"You are asking us to bet on our very good future against a your fantasy."

What the hell are you on about?

Explain my fantasy!

Tegan

Many posters on this thread have made it about Brexit . Paxman was not making his comment solely about Brexit.

Paxman mentions our homes gaining in value , we are holding politicians to ransom, we are spoilt children who should not take our pension or associated benefits such as winter fuel allowance etc. We never found difficulty obtaining work, we had cheap property.

We can agree or disagree with his view but it is a stupid generalisation as to how many have managed their lives and it is another show of a total lack of understanding how some people have most certainly not ' had it easy ' by somebody who by their own words state they have had an easy, cushy life.

durhamjen

"We have to speculate because nobody knows what will happen after we leave, not even Brexiteers, whatever they pretend to you."

That point is true whether you voted Leave or Remain!

It is a point that is totally lost when reading the Brexit threads as posters are convinced their words, thoughts, links are not speculation!.

Only IF we leave, POGS.

youtu.be/EBxWiRz6A9E

Brexiteers didn't say this was speculation.

Actually, it would be speculation on either side, as if we had Remained in the EU who knows how things would have worked out both for the EU as a body or for us as a nation.

Rubbish, lemon. We would have just carried on as before. All the problems we have with the EU now are a result of you voting to leave, along with all the other Brexiteers.
I don't suppose you've watched the video of all the lies we were told, have you?

Nothing remains the same.

Hoovering up the Eastern European countries, as the EU have done and would still do, obviously meant, that being poor countries they could settle anywhere with or without a job to go to.This has put enormous pressure on a few countries, especially the UK.If it had gone on and on who knows how that would affect the UK.
That is only one aspect of us staying in the EU btw.One that we can easily identify, with the free movement of labour.
Other nations are uneasy about EU diktats and are already disregarding them in some cases.

Paxman ( I think ) wanted the vote to go his intellectual way and it didn't
Wally I always got the impression that Paxo would be voting to leave.
I think he is full of angst as he looks back at his privileged life and sees younger generations struggling, unlike his early years.
He doesn't seem to realise that not all over 65s were afforded the privileges that his family were able to provide for him and that some are still struggling to this day.

If one has always lived in a gilded cage of intellectual and financial superiority it may be difficult to realise that there are others of the same generation who are living a hand to mouth existence.

What concerns me is the number of EU countries which seem to be moving to the far right - could it be because the people are tired of their concerns not being listened to

And not all of the younger generations are struggling, either.

Jalima1108 Spot on.

Oldwoman70 Spot on.

other nations are uneasy about eu diktats and are already disregarding them in some cases
The Bulgarian parliament have thrown out the eu treaty on violence against women ( there's a surprise).
They have also refused to implement diktats concerning corruption ( another surprise) although our money has pored into the country to try and combat this 'problem'
I put the word problem in quotes because without the corruption the country would collapse.
I think the Bulgarian government have been telling porkies as they promised to combat corruption when they entered the union in 2007 only 11 years ago
A poster claimed that you can't trade with the eu unless you abide by the rules. It just goes to show you can.

Doesn't that prove that any of the member countries can veto anything at any time and EU rules can be ignored [so we didn't have to leave to take back control]?