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Labour back tracks and betrays the British public over Brexit.

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Day6 Sun 25-Feb-18 13:56:27

Labour shifts to back a customs union with EU after Brexit (Sky News)

news.sky.com/story/labour-shifts-to-back-a-customs-union-with-eu-after-brexit-11267193

Sir Keir Starmer Labours Shadow Brexit secretary said Labour had "unanimously" agreed at a meeting last week to "develop" their Brexit policy.

He said: "It's a customs union… there's going to have to be a new agreement, but will it do the work of the current customs union? Yes, that's the intention."

Sir Keir admitted Labour's position means it will have to be "negotiated" as to who is in control of Britain's trade policy after Brexit.

He said: "We will have to have a say but the real point is - because we all want trade agreements, we all want more trade agreements - are we more likely to get them if we do it jointly with the EU or on our own?

From Labour Leave. (below) The Andrew Marr interview.

Marr: After we leave, who will be in charge of trade policy?

Starmer: That will have to be negotiated.

"Keir_Starmer confirms a Labour government would sell out the British public on Brexit and tie us into a protectionist Customs Union with the EU. Shameful!"

durhamjen Tue 27-Feb-18 09:30:52

I also think bombing a thread by posting three different sentences in three different posts is a stupid thing to do.
I wonder what your record is, lemon.

GracesGranMK2 Tue 27-Feb-18 09:32:37

Posting the odd link is ok , and yes, we don’t have to read them.

A simple sentence says so much, doesn't it. So is this the new Lemongrove rule - links are rationed?

whitewave Tue 27-Feb-18 09:40:38

Article by Dan Roberts on how Corbyn plans t square the circle.

Just a few extracts.

Can this tactic unlock the paralysis over Brexit? Corbyn gave a much more nuanced explanation than either party has offered before.

The key caveat
any new customs deal with the EU has to involve an agreement for both sides to also work together on future trade deals with the rest of the world which would be in our national interest.

Labour will not countenance a deal thatvwill leave the U.K. a passive recipient of rules decided elsewhere by others.

That is the key difference between what Tory moderates are offering and labour.

Critics say this sort of deal is far fetched, but wait a minute and think.

A dealbstruck say between the us and eu that failed to involve the U.K. and subsequently also led to the unravelling if the post Brexit cross channel trade agreement would be as undesirable for future trade negotiators as it is now.
A genuine unified bloc of eu and U.K. would stand a better chance of getting what it wants in Beijing or Washington than either could hope for operating alone.

This is the most honest attempt at squaring the circle yet.

whitewave Tue 27-Feb-18 09:45:09

petra

Yet another outing for the lie about the EU imposing tariffs on roasted coffee from African producers.

Do your research and and make your case honestly

See Jonathan Lis

durhamjen Tue 27-Feb-18 09:47:13

Here's a very interesting link for anyone interested in how Brexit impacts on human rights.

rightsinfo.org/brexit/

Don't worry, lemon, I don't expect you to bother reading it.

GracesGranMK2 Tue 27-Feb-18 09:51:46

Interesting comments by Dan Roberts. It seems as if we are beginning to see some pragmatism (at last).

MaizieD Tue 27-Feb-18 10:06:12

petra Try this one:

"Everything but Arms (EBA) is an initiative of the European Union under which all imports to the EU from the Least Developed Countries are duty-free and quota-free, with the exception of armaments."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everything_but_Arms

And the Cotonou Agreement:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotonou_Agreement

durhamjen Tue 27-Feb-18 10:15:12

Tomorrow the EU is publishing its 100 page document.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-26/eu-said-to-stoke-brexit-tensions-with-100-page-draft-exit-deal

On Friday May will attempt to respond to both the EU, Corbyn and her rebels.
Or will she announce another back-me election?

whitewave Tue 27-Feb-18 10:19:55

Chuka Umunn on Johnson’s reaction to Corbyns speech

“So let’s get this straight: London’ borough boundaries can be compared to the border between two sovereign states which was central to a conflict in which over 3000 people died between 1969 and the signing of the Good Friday Agreement?
This man is simply not fit for office”

durhamjen Tue 27-Feb-18 10:48:50

CBI think Corbyn's speech was good.

durhamjen Tue 27-Feb-18 10:51:50

Ex-Liam Fox aide: Leaving EU is like swapping three-course dinner for crisps

Martin Donnelly says there’s ‘no evidence of untapped global markets waiting to welcome UK companies.’

GracesGranMK2 Tue 27-Feb-18 11:04:48

Does anyone really think that Corbyn is going say "I'm a communist"

Oh dear, every so often we get one of these logical fallacies. Can you tell me Wally, "when you stopped beating your wife?" Same idea as your suggestion above.

whitewave Tue 27-Feb-18 11:19:36

Central London post Brexit

mobile.twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/968417504140898305/photo/1

whitewave Tue 27-Feb-18 11:23:38

As Jonathan Lis said

“That our foreign secretary could be so casually joyfully ignorant about a conflict that killed thousands of people in living memory does not shock us because he has no further depths to plumb or disgrace to parade. But it should”

durhamjen Tue 27-Feb-18 11:28:46

The Labour Representation Committee was set up on 27th February 1900, the forerunner of the Labour Party.
As Keir Hardie said,
"Socialism proposes to dethrone the brute god Mammon and to lift humanity into its place."
Thank goodness for people like Corbyn and Starmer who are still trying to do that.

durhamjen Tue 27-Feb-18 11:59:26

"Brexit supporters are regularly using actual or perceived good news or the absence of bad news to argue that those who warned against Brexit got it all wrong. It means stating the obvious, but there is something you apparently just can’t repeat often enough these days: Brexit has not yet happened. Britain is still in the EU. It should not surprise anyone that the country does not yet feel the ramifications of not being a member."

theconversation.com/friendly-reminder-brexit-has-not-yet-happened-so-stop-rubbishing-peoples-fears-92299

mostlyharmless Tue 27-Feb-18 12:21:04

Daily Politics Norman Smith being rather more anti Brexit today about the possibilities of free trade deals outside the EU.
Martin Donnelly is on giving his leaving EU is “like giving up a full three course meal on the promise of a packet of crisps” comments.
Norman Smith says it's looking more like “we need a fairy godmother” to achieve good trade deals.
A bit of realism about Brexit perhap?

whitewave Tue 27-Feb-18 12:36:26

Fox making his speech.

Nothing interesting yet.

whitewave Tue 27-Feb-18 12:42:05

Oh he’s just said how successful the EU -South Korea agreement has been confused

He obviously thinks free trade is a GOOD THING

He obviously hasn’t listened to Pascal Lamy.

mostlyharmless Tue 27-Feb-18 12:54:33

Oh dear Liam Fox!
I see Open Britain is distributing packets of crisps outside the venue.

whitewave Tue 27-Feb-18 13:00:16

This is pretty extraordinary.

The Irish leader is saying that Sinn Fein should take their seats in Westminster to support labour and speak for their constituents and Ireland.

whitewave Tue 27-Feb-18 13:01:57

That’s Fox’s speech over with then, nothing to see so let’s move on.

Anniebach Tue 27-Feb-18 13:03:05

Do they not mean support Corbyn as he has always supported the IRA?

GracesGranMK2 Tue 27-Feb-18 13:06:05

I have wondered it that could happen whitewave but I am not sure it could ... could it, would it?

whitewave Tue 27-Feb-18 13:09:28

One can only hope - very hard. The DUP must be deliriously happy at the thought.