Labour back tracks and betrays the British public over Brexit.

whitewave If you think that by posting time and time again you will browbeat leavers into submission you really don't understand the British people. What you need are facts and as we have not yet left the EU they will be hard to come by.

This is what Sir Martin Donnelly has said

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No wally I have no intention of brow beating anyone I am using my right to post information and indeed facts which I think supports my argument.

You don’t need to take any notice of them whatsoever. But I hope these posts give points of division / information to others

Just a small point. How can there be any facts about after we have left the EU? We haven't left yet.

The first place you could start with is the risk and read the published information on the government impact assessments.

Then you could look at how imposing borders will impact on Ireland and the GFA, then you could understand how it will impact on business.

Next you could look at what losing the various agencies will mean.
That is a small start.

Just as I think there is no such thing as democratic socialism the two things are just incompatible, what as a previous Labour Party supporter we are looking for is humane capitalism with checks being done by the party and the trade unions. Corbyn the betrayer of brexit is turning Labour into an extreme left wing party called Communism where the only way it will be able to do the things they have said they will do will be through massive rises in taxation i.e Capital gains tax which I think will have companies heading for the hills, VAT, income tax, and a huge rise in national insurance. History is on my side. No country that has tried it has ever succeeded.

"Just as I think there is no such thing as democratic socialism"

So you are just going to ignore the countries where it works very successfully - they are rich as countries and come at the top of the "most democratic" lists but to you, they just don't exist. Is this because little old Wally sat in house know so much more than whole countries?

know knows

You are wrong, POGS, but you don't need to guess.
www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn=Jeremy_Corbyn&mpc=Islington_North&house=commons
Most of the time he rebelled was between 2001 and 2010 and that was to do with war against Iraq, etc.

Oh I thought we were in for a discussion about Brexit.
Instead you have returned with a rant, regurgitating the lie about communism and Corbyn.

What part of Corbyns speech yesterday indicated that he wants a communist regime in the U.K.?

wally if you look on social media, that nonsense has been well and truly buried.

We don't care if you don't appreciate whitewave's posts, wally.
We do. We don't feel browbeaten at all. We are just grateful that whitewave has learnt how to do links at last.
You carry on moaning, though. It just makes us more certain that we are right.

Sorry, Wally, but I really think that you don't know what Communism is.

I like a rebel, it shows that they are willing to think and not follow like sheep.

Agreed, whitewave. It also shows, if you look at the stats, that Corbyn did actually turn up and vote.

whitewave All of these assessments are peoples opinions, just look at the things that were said about what would happen if we voted to leave the EU, none of them happened. Just prior to the banking crisis the IMF were in cloud cuckoo land they did not predict any of the things that happened so as a suggestion we all stop posting opinions as facts.

Oh dear, yet again there are silly personal remarks about a poster, this time it’s Wally getting it ,who always addresses posters politely and is a Labour voter!
Corbyns politics are of the Communist/Marxist type, yet so many are in denial about this.Wise up.

Even Corbyn said in his speech, that leaving the EU does not mean doom.

dj ..... we know that you and ww love posting links .

So, ww you like a rebel do you? Does this include Labour MP’s who go against what Corbyn wants?

MaizieD I know exactly what communism is as I have had friends who were communists and even a distant relative. I as a young man even went to meetings of the Socialist Labour League an extreme left wing organisation and went on marches in London with them. I listened carefully to their message and I came to my senses by becoming a supporter of the Labour Party.

The idea that we shouldn't reference people who are more knowledgeable than we are seems a very odd one. Do people actually want to remain ill-informed or do they just think they know better than everyone else? Some seem to wear this "I don't do links" etc., like a badge of honour.

It's not as is politics is the same as whether you prefer tea or coffee - there are other threads for that sort of chat. Politics, perhaps particularly currently, are complex and, as there are many political sources we can draw on to explain, extend our knowledge etc., sharing that knowledge is surely a good thing.

Accurately referencing your source helps others decide what and how much they want to take from it as does making it clear that something is just your "out of thin air" opinion.

Sometimes it’s a form of ‘bombing’ a thread or site though and is a common method of drowning out other voices on forums ( happens on other forums as well.)
Posting the odd link is ok , and yes, we don’t have to read them.

Whitewave
You say that RM is getting a roasting Re comments.
I wonder if these people read anything about punitive tariffs on 3rd world countries.

This from a site called CAPX
"Take the example of coffee. In 2014 Africa - the home of coffee- earned nearly $2.4 billion from the crop.
Germany * a leading processor, earned about$3.8 Billion from coffee Re-exports"
As if Germany isn't rich enough already they screw some of the poorest.
And this for all the chocolate lovers. There is a 30% tariff on cocoa.

Even Corbyn said in his speech, that leaving the EU does not mean doom.

No, he didn't. He most certainly did not say that just "leaving the EU" would not mean doom What he said was:

The truth is more down to earth and it is in our hands. Brexit is what we make of it, together; the priorities and choices we make in negotiations.

He seems to me - and I am if you "know" I am wrong you will soon tell me - to be saying that how we leave, which is a choice, will decide whether we have the opportunity to make a success of it.

I've got to go, things to do but just to say. Does anyone really think that Corbyn is going say "I'm a communist"