Labour back tracks and betrays the British public over Brexit.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-changed-my-mind-remain-economic-disaster-second-referendum-democracy-eu-government-david-a8225486.html

Somebody else wants to backtrack. How sensible.

You didn't read the article very well, petra. That was the point of it; people like you don't care about people like him.
We don't need many astrophysicists in this country.

“I’m one of the lucky ones, working for an intergovernmental organisation, and I can live here in the Netherlands until I retire, but then what? Will Germany extend a hand and say you’re a Brit, but you have worked here, your wife is German, it’s OK? We don’t know the answers to any of this,” he said.

“I wouldn’t ever want to reject my country; I feel at home in the UK, it’s part of my upbringing.”

But if the Brexit push comes to shove, he will have no choice but to give up his passport, he feels. “I felt completely, completely British in the past, including flying with the RAF and being patriotic, but now if I had to make the choice of [getting a German passport], I would. But I would feel a huge sense of loss though. I would feel devastated.”

You want him to have to make a choice between Britain and Germany, and he wants to carry on feeling part of both. The government and the EU have to decide soon, because there will be a lot of stateless residents soon.

I don't think Corbyn will backtrack. He will respect the vote of the public but put forward a fabulous Brexit where we get all the benefits of being in the EU with none of the drawbacks. A down to earth Brexit with cake for everyone.

It's easy for him - he doesn't have to deliver on anything he says.

durhamjen
Your perfectly correct: I don't give a stuff about people like him. People usually move abroad for one or two reasons.
One is lifestyle and one is money.
Things haven't worked out as he thought they would, hey ho, that's life, time to make a decision.

That's just nasty and spiteful, petra.
I seem to recall that you have moved around quite a lot and appear to have benefited from your stays in many other EU countries.
Why is his case any different to yours?
Why did you travel to other countries, lifestyle or money?
Why have you come back here?

The way I read the article is that he moved for work, to do a job that he wanted to do. It's neither lifestyle nor money.

I don't feel betrayed. I feel that the Conservative's have not represented the whole country or allowed parliamentary democracy so if things are moving they are moving to where they should be. My ballot paper only said "leave" or "remain". It didn't say when or how so I cannot see any betrayal of anybody. Labour is still in favour of leaving and has facilitated that in parliament. How we leave is for parliament to sort out not a few hardliners to dictate.

A lot of older people move abroad for health reasons, too.

Who’s being betrayed? They haven’t stated they want to exit Brexit- Labour are saying they want to be in a CU - this is what they have stated previously- they want to maintain tariff free trade and an open border in NI, impossible without being in a CU. Many in leave campaign stated this , many voted leave on that basis. Also can anyone recall when Northern Ireland's 310 mile border with the EU was ever mentioned in the various Leave campaigns? They now like to pretend that "taking back control" was about sovereignty, but it wasn't. It was always about border control, as if we didn't have any. It was always about immigration, especially the Farage "Breaking Point". And yet the British land border with the EU was never mentioned. The Good Friday Agreement is written into British law, so we shouldn’t allow it to be trampled over by the Brextreemists. Keir Starmer QC, former DPP, is one of the few MPs who knows what he is talking about when it comes to international treaties and such trivia, has been edging Labour towards a 'Norway', the least damaging of the brexit options. This would have the support of many Labour voters, most Labour MPs and many Tories as well. If May crumbles, the hardliners take over the Tory party, and we have to have an election, at least voters will have a choice.

Baggs, the whole of Brexit is full of ifs and buts (dj)

Agreed. Which is why I said he can't say "will have to", only "might have to" with "might not have to" in equal place.

Without knowing his full story and basing my feeling about the article on only what's in it, he seems to have spent most of his working life not in Britain. The article reads like a poor little me whine based on bugger all actual information.

My grandchildren are still at school, but my great nieces and nephews are having their options shrunk by Brexit. The older ones have enjoyed the freedom of travel, study and work opportunities of being in a friendly alliance with 27 nearby, peaceful countries. In my generation of the family, we worked out that we would be worse off coming out and voted accordingly. Now, we do feel as if we are being pushed off a cliff in the name of an ideology we don't support. The scariest thing is the attitude of: We're leaving - get over it." The demonisation of anyone who dares speak up against Brexit (despite them making valid and intelligent points) is also worrying in the extreme.

How are the Labour Party “ betraying the British Public”? They’re not in government. If there is an election the British public will vote for them or not. What’s the Problem?

Good post Caledonia - my feelings precisely.

Good post Caledonia, totally agree

Baggs, do you expect him to write a book about his life?
There's enough information on there to know about his life.
He's not saying poor me, at all.
There are 3 million EU citizens living in the UK, and 1.5 million UK citizens living in the EU, many of whom did not get a vote about their futures and are still unsure of what is happening.
That's more than enough to alter the vote if they had had a vote.
And they all have individual stories to tell.
He says he has worked in 22 different EU countries, lives in the Netherlands now, is married to a German wife.
I thought you were concerned about science. Where do you expect him to live when working for the European Space Agency?
Or do you not expect British people to work for it?

"More than 100 groups across Scotland have joined together to demand ‘progress’ for human rights, warning that Brexit mustn’t lead to a ‘race to the bottom’.

Backed by the Scottish Human Rights Commission and The Equality and Human Rights Commission, it comes as new research shows people in Scotland are broadly supportive of human rights.

Mhairi Snowden of the Human Rights Consortium in Scotland, the group which spearheaded the project alongside the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations, told RightsInfo the move was about “making people’s lives better”.

“The clear message is people don’t want to be debating how rights could be reduced, they want to be debating how to progress them and how to make them real for people.” "

My scientist daughter thinks Brexit will be a disaster for science and those working in medical and drug research.

I agree with your scientist daughter, whitewave.
I wonder what people coming out of university now with first clas degrees in physics are going to do.
I know one, and he is going to take a year off now and hope that at the end there is more certainty about jobs in astrophysics than there is now.
Otherwise he might find himself emigrating further away than the EU.

It is simply not true that a 'majority of the British People' voted to leave the EU. 27.8% of the electorate stayed away from the polls. The 51.9% (of 72.2%) who voted to leave were seduced by palpably untrue claims (lies) about the probable benefits of Brexit. If hard facts had been presented about the benefits that have accrued over our membership of the EU, would the percentages have been the same? The 'remain' campaign did a bad job; the blatant propaganda of the Brexiteers won over a small majority of a reduced electorate.

Where on the ballot paper did it ask if we wanted to leave the customs union? Labour have finally decided to act like the opposition they should be and advocate a sensible option, which most MPs agree with. It was foolish enough that a straight majority was allowed to give such a huge backward change to our country. It was much less than half the country overall who voted out.
Surely, the huge drop in sterling and the increased cost of everything has already proved what a bad idea Brexit is.

I think people have to realise that staying in the or a customs union means not leaving the EU. The British people voted to take back control of our borders and be free to trade without interference, staying in a customs union would be a betrayal. Just as was done before the vote on leaving there are people and people on this thread throwing around wild statements about what will happen to us without having any evidence whatsoever to back them up. There are brilliant minds that think leaving will be the best thing that we have ever done, likewise there are others that say the opposite, but what can't be denied is that the British people voted out.

Yes grandma

I’m now hoping that the pressure from the grass roots and other remainers voting labour to stay in the single market begins to inform labour policy as well.

Here is a bit of pressure

mobile.twitter.com/Open_Britain/status/968059219911086081/photo/1

Like I've said before I have supported Labour all of my life, but if you support this Labour Party you are supporting communism and that has never succeded anywhere on earth.

87% of Labour party members back staying in the EU now.
Good to know that the majority are open to the truth.

It is impossible to have free tariffs and not stay in a customs union, as brexiteers promised.