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whitewave Mon 26-Mar-18 12:38:34

Hopefully Dunts article will be below this post.

MaizieD Mon 26-Mar-18 12:48:11

Did you mean this one, ww?

That's why the leadership is already planning how to control it if things go wrong. Brexit minister Lord Callanan said last week that a vote against the motion would be "an instruction to move ahead without a deal".

Of course this makes a nonsense of the Conservative's commitment to a "meaningful" vote on the final deal. There is no meaningful vote between no-deal and a deal, no matter how bad that deal is. It is like choosing between a film you don't want to see and being shot in the face. Your decision to go see the film does not mean you are happy with it. It simply means you don't want to get shot in the face

This is precisely what Starmer Prime is now trying to control. He plans to introduce an amendment to the EU withdrawal bill creating a statutory provision that it is for parliament to say what comes next if the motion is defeated, not the government. He wants to take the response to the defeat out of No.10's hands and back to the Commons.

I like his 'see a film you don't like or get shot in the face' analogy. It strikes me that that was also a choice which faced many voters in last year's GE grin

whitewave Mon 26-Mar-18 13:33:03

Thank you gg thank you as well.

whitewave Mon 26-Mar-18 17:27:28

Cheering news

whitewave Tue 27-Mar-18 08:36:37

Opinion of Lord Patten

whitewave Tue 27-Mar-18 08:40:10

Perspective on the economics of the fishing industry

whitewave Tue 27-Mar-18 08:43:07

Labours argument on final settlement in a nutshell

whitewave Tue 27-Mar-18 09:24:08

It does no harm to remind ourselves

whitewave Tue 27-Mar-18 11:39:10

More sensible words fro Patten

whitewave Thu 29-Mar-18 17:18:59

May is telling a bare faced lie

whitewave Thu 29-Mar-18 17:25:01

This is something Labour members are not split on

whitewave Thu 29-Mar-18 17:35:54

This is grim and published by LeaveEU. It has been referred to the police by the Labour Jewish group

whitewave Thu 29-Mar-18 17:38:39

And from the Muslims - good for them

whitewave Thu 29-Mar-18 18:09:50

Some cost of Brexit

whitewave Thu 29-Mar-18 18:26:50

Thoughts of my MP

Welshwife Thu 29-Mar-18 18:52:07

So many people still see immigrant workers as being one of the main reasons for leaving - and some people think they are costing the NHS lots of money.
People either just cannot be listening or reading about the effects Brexit will have on jobs and the economy or they either don’t understand or believe.

varian Thu 29-Mar-18 20:02:42

Any one who has used an NHS hospital in recent years should realise that the EU nationals they met there were far more likely to be staff than patients.

durhamjen Fri 30-Mar-18 00:08:23

I like the fishing analogy, whitewave.
What it doesn't mention, though, is Gove and his dad.

durhamjen Fri 30-Mar-18 00:15:57

durhamjen Fri 30-Mar-18 11:32:56

Chris Leslie. It looks like the government is still intent on using Henry VIII powers, and has the EU's agreement to use them.
Completely wrong.

"Buried inside the draft withdrawal treaty, but marked in green to indicate it has been fully agreed by both the EU and the British negotiators, lurk Articles 157, 158 and 159, which will establish a new joint committee with the power to issue instructions which will be “binding on the Union and the United Kingdom, and the Union and the United Kingdom shall implement them”, provided both the EU and UK side agree and the decisions relate to the scope of the withdrawal agreement itself.

Such binding decisions “shall have the same legal effect as this Agreement”. In other words, once we incorporate the withdrawal treaty into British law we will be handing government ministers the power to bypass parliament on anything that currently falls inside the competencies of European law.

It is an audacious proposal and would effectively grant Ministers of the Crown the sort of powers that once-upon-a-time sparked historic conflicts over the rights of the people to be sovereign in our country. And by incorporating it into an international treaty, these powers will be beyond the recall of parliament itself unless we took the extreme act of unilaterally abrogating the agreement.

Far from restoring power to a sovereign legislature as promised, it looks like ministers are trying to roll back on the three-hundred-year-old constitutional principle that the Crown governs through parliament.

Parliament must therefore assert its rights on behalf of the people when this proposal is brought for approval."

MaizieD Fri 30-Mar-18 11:41:38

Let's have a link to that Chris Leslie quote, Oh Queen of the Links grin

durhamjen Fri 30-Mar-18 11:45:27

MaizieD Fri 30-Mar-18 13:32:57


durhamjen Fri 30-Mar-18 17:33:17

Never heard of this one before.

whitewave Tue 03-Apr-18 13:25:49

A little reminder that the will of the people has changed