If a 'Salisbury' type incident occurs after Brexit....

Oh stop looking for trouble Maddy I know you’re not new - I thought you were referring to Anniel when you said I would deter new posters - why don’t you try writing clearer posts. And since when is having confidence in your own intelligence and knowledge classified as arrogance? Im not going to pretend about how well informed I generally am about most of the matters I post about? I call it confidence.

Dear god! No wonder a lot of us simply don't bother to post on the political threads anymore! At times the comments are completely infantile!

It’s OK nn if you don’t post really it is.

I rest my case!!!!

maryeliza perhaps as you have superior knowledge to everybody else (on any subject it seems) GN doesn’t need any other posters.

Day6 I can’t understand why people think that Europe won’t want anything to do with us, Europe is a continent not the EU.

grannypaulie I completely agree with your comment

where's the PROOF that the Russian government ordered the attack??

I have asked myself that question, but if I ever express it I am considered to be pro-Putin... There may be evidence that it was the Russian government and that it is highly sensitive, but the fact remains we have not been made privy to it, yet we are all expected to jump on the bandwagon..

I'm with you, humptydumpty and grannypaulie.

While the likelihood of it being Russia is strong it's not proven by a long chalk.

lemon
I can’t understand why people think that Europe won’t want anything to do with us, Europe is a continent not the EU.

I'm puzzled as to who these 'people' are. They don't seem to exist in my world.

Your world is not the whole country MaizieD

I doubt very much that we will ever see "proof" of Russian involvement but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Theresa May has shared the intelligence regarding this to all of the Countries that have shown solidarity in the final conclusion of responsibility. I would suspect the intimacies of this cannot be shared for security and safety reasons. To go in depth on this would mean revealing details of the preparation publicly and we all know, or should know, what nut jobs out there can do.

I would like to add 4 words though: 'weapons of mass destruction'

Can we always believe government 'proof'?

What a strange comment, Day6.

It's Leavers who believe that the EU is 'bullying' the UK; 'punishing' us because of Brexit.

I find your comment strange MaizieD

I have already said that European countries are likely to support us now and in the future in the face of a common enemy like Russia, or should peace be threatened in Europe. Aggression threatens us all.

That does NOT rely on a trading deal. I am not talking about EU trading negotiations which are fraught with detail. Bernier and Juncker might be frosty but they are not Italy or Austria or Germany. They have to play hard ball as we do, for the sake of the best deal.

My point was that (in answer to the OP) in or out of the EU we remain geographically in the land block that is Europe and that isn't going to change. Our allegiance to one another in the face of a common foe is not determined by cod, elastic bands or light bulbs.

Remainers might like to think our country's security depends upon the EU trading deal. It doesn't. We are not divorcing European allies. We are shrugging of tariffs and impositions which come with the sale of goods as well as the jurisdiction of Brussels and Strasbourg.

The import and export of goods does not determine the security of the UK or any other European country. It's a TRADE DEAL, not a military exercise.

Sorry but I thought Brexit came about because 'the people' think that the E U is a lot more than just a means of trading?

Your world is not the whole country MaizieD

Neither is yours. lemon

Let me remind you what you said, Day6

Some Remainers imagine enmity with the EU. Why? Does it serve their anger? Those countries will hate us for leaving?

Perhaps you should clarify what you meant by this.

Tegan

What tariffs and impositions are we shrugging off? We don't have any at the moment with the EU, do we?
We will after we leave, however we leave.

Sorry but I thought Brexit came about because 'the people' think that the E U is a lot more than just a means of trading?

Well you can take the OP out of context if you want to Tegan and use it as an excuse to sneer once again at those people who backed the Leave campaign, but I was answering this question.

Will EU countries be as willing to support us as they have today, most of them expelling Russian 'diplomats'?

You obviously failed to comprehend, or were being deliberately obtuse.

Maizie, I don't need reminding of what I posted.

The OP hinted at lack of cooperation or rejection by EU member states after Brexit.

In most discussions many Remainers imply that these countries will turn their backs on us, that the UK will be hated and we will be cast adrift, an island alone.

I rejected those silly ideas from the start. They were (and still are) part of the Project Fear campaign.

In case you need to read it again, we are leaving the EU and not the continent of Europe. We are ending a trading deal (and a lot more besides, thank goodness! ) Should any part of the western world be threatened with aggression by Eastern powers it affects us all. Beans, butter mountains and bureaucrats in Brussels won't be barriers to a united front against a common enemy.

In most discussions many Remainers imply that these countries will turn their backs on us, that the UK will be hated and we will be cast adrift, an island alone.

I think you're still living in a parallel universe, Day6. You've managed to pin that spin on MOnica's OP but I just do not recognise this general characterisation of Remainers at all. Which really makes me wonder about the validity of anything else that you write at great length

I think that after Brexit we will still work with Europe and especially with defence because it will be in everyone's interest.
I take the long view now. Our relationship with Europe has been discussed and argued over for more than 2,000 years and will continue to be. I am a pro Europe Brexiteer. May the Force be with us.

Day6 I would like to point out that one of the things we shall be losing is the right to live anywhere in Europe that we please with no restrictions, which has scuppered my choice of upping sticks if I so wish and moving to continental Europe to work or retire, and also that of all young people.

Definition of a pro-Europe brexiteer; someone who wants to have her cake and eat it?

Day6 Let me be clear. I wasn't hinting anything I was asking whether when we no longer belong to an international group, will they be as enthusiastic about supporting us after events like the Salisbury poisoning as they were when we were still members of the club.

I do not know that is why I asked.

As for In most discussions many Remainers imply that these countries will turn their backs on us, that the UK will be hated and we will be cast adrift, an island alone You obviously know a completely different kind of remainer to those I know, not one of which as ever suggested anything so silly.

I thought Brexiteers wanted us to be an island on our own, to stand up on our own two feet and not rely on the rest of the EU?