Corbyn's Elasticity

Yes Jalima he did, and yes, those comments were defamatory, but as you said, not anti semitic.
Perhaps annie I should have said 'some' of your fellow socialists!!!

Primrose, there are far more Holocaust denier's on the right of British politics than there has ever been associated with the left. The National front, The British defence League and in recent times a current one that has good connection to a prominent group and member of the Conservative parimentry party

But Grandad, last time I looked, they were not mainstream parties hoping to form the next government - well at least I sincerely hope not!
Who is the current one that has good connection to a prominent group and member of the Conservative parimentry party - I'm sure we'd all like to know who he or she is please.
Ineresting and worrying.

Niggly, been through it before, the militancy lot in the late seventies and part of the eighties but this time they are definately more dangerous , I fear they will kill the labour party , they use the word socialism but realy mean communism

Jalima, could it be Jacob Rees Mogg ?

Oh! Yes, he had dinner with some right-wing person with vile views and also Irving.
Thanks.
Be careful who you associate with, surely they should all learn that.

Primrose just how long are you going to keep this up? Whatever the topic there really is no reason why we should not discuss comparisons or put the subject into a larger context.

All this telling people what they may or may not say is pointless and childish. I think you will find most of us will not be bullied into obeying the posters who will conjure up any excuse on this thread simply to attack Corbyn.

Pointless.
Childish.
Bully.

Oh dear. Here, have a cake. I always feel more collegiate after a bit of cake.

Quote Jalima1108 [Who is the current one that has good connection to a prominent group and member of the Conservative parimentry party - I'm sure we'd all like to know who he or she is please.
Ineresting and worrying.]End Quote

Jalima1108, the above request was in regard to extream right wing organizations having close connection to the very to of the conservative parliamentary party, so I will repost the majority of that original post again as it demonstrates how far the extream right have infiltrated the conservative party.

In March 2017 Britain's oldest Conservative think-tank "the Bow Group" was severely criticised after inviting to its anniversary celebration the right-wing "Traditional Britain Group", which has called for the repatriation of UK black people to their "natural homelands."

The media had obtained an email circulated to members of the far-right Traditional Britain Group, informing them that they have been granted a special concession. The email reads "They [the Bow Group] have kindly extended to Traditional Britain Group members a discount to join either the reception or the reception plus the 3 course dinner, and was signed by the Traditional Britain Group vice-president Gregory Lauder-Frost who Jacob Rees-Mogg had sat next to at an earlier dinner.

The Traditional Britain Group describes itself on its website as "home to the disillusioned patriot" and has called for all non-whites to be repatriated and has over a number of years provided many platforms for prominent white nationalists to address its conferences. Lauder-Frost was previously chairman of the foreign affairs policy committee of the Conservative Parliamentary Monday Club, a pressure group within the Tory party that has only recently been criticized by Senior Tory members following press attention in regard to their views on race in the UK

Labour MP Louise Haigh, has received death threats after calling for far-right groups Britain First and The Traditional Britain group to be banned. Louise Haugh has advised that globally conservative centre thinking is being hijacked by hard right nationalists who sense a once-in-a lifetime opportunity to make their repugnant, prejudiced views mainstream due to the current small size of many Conservative organization memberships. In the foregoing many may well believe that the British conservative party was foremost in her mind

Louise Haigh has also stated that calling on brilliant, courageous women like Doreen Lawrence to be repatriated her "natural homeland" is totally repugnant. These are the views of white nationalists and should never be normalised. Rather than inviting them to their anniversary bash, the Bow Group should treat the people who hold these views with the contempt they deserve."

Of course the above has not been reported prominently in the Daily Mail, The Sun, The Daily Express or the Times.

Since the date of the above dinner it is thought that the Conservative party membership in Britain has fallen by approximately another 30,000 to around 70,000 in total. The membership figures should have been published in January this year, but the last I seen they had been delayed due to "problems of audit"

Ripe for takeover, starting with their constituency parties

Ironically, it was Daily Mail journalist Stephen Wright who campaigned so solidly for Stephen Lawrence, I believe, and they were publically thanked by his parents for going out on a limb to get justice for their son.

Primrose that does not change what is happening in the Tory party in regard to its links with extream right wing groups.

But this thread is about Corbyn Grandad as various posters have now pointed out to you, for good things to say about him or for saying he is a weak vacillating fence sitter.
ww has a ‘Maybot’ thread on the go if you want to talk about the Conservative Party.I know that threads do deviate a bit but you only want to talk about the Tories on here! Is that to take us away from Corbyn as much as possible( can’t blame you for that.)

lemongrove It is unrealistic to continue to keep posting allegations of Corbyn's/Labour's racism and not expect people to shine a light on the extremely racist views and aims of far right groups and individuals who have connections to the Conservative Party.

Conservative supporters are just as likely to make their views heard on threads which are critical of this government's and Mrs May's record and policies.

The left must respond to fears about antisemitic abuse, and it will. But it has nothing to learn from the abusive right

But that does not mean we should take lessons from the political right. This is not “whataboutery”, which is using the bad behaviour of others to avoid confronting your own: the left must act, and will. But we’re not going to take lessons from a media that deployed antisemitic dog-whistles against Ed Miliband, including smearing his dad as “the man who hated Britain”, and harping on about how weird the “north London intellectual” looked. From a media that every day brims with filth and lies against Muslims, immigrants, refugees and gay and trans people – just as it once targeted Jewish refugees. Nor from rightwing websites whose comment sections are cesspits of racist, homophobic and antisemitic hatred. From a Tory party that used the EU referendum as an excuse to whip up bile against immigrants and refugees (with hate crimes surging as a result), whose members and councillors spray Islamophobic bile online. Or from Tory supporters who pollute the online sphere with racist abuse against one of Corbyn’s lifelong allies, Diane Abbott. The most rotten, racist and bigoted elements of British society – who not so long ago denounced the anti-racist left as the PC brigade who hated free speech – will not be allowed to rebrand themselves as paragons of moral virtue.

(and for those idiots who complain about people putting links or quotes on, I do it because I agree but this guy writes better than I do. That's how we learn)

Over the past few days I have posted a number of links. As most of you know 3 were copies of jokes found on twitter. Now the right wing on this thread were apparently very offended, and said so loud and clear. But looking at the GN guidelines it is difficult to understand how they break any of the rules. I have asked GNHQ but they haven’t come up with any explanation.

However one DOES break every rule in the book. AND IS STILL UP THERE FOR ALL TO SEE!!

How can that be? What conclusion should I make? One is that those who shout loudest and most often are beginning to influence the moderators from doing their job in a neutral and fair way. I am sure the moderators will disagree with this point of view, but without an explanation I am left wondering why one that potentially breaks UK law is still available to view whilst 3 which offended, and since when has that broken any law have been removed.
Don’t jump to the conclusion that I am annoyed by their removal, it is an irrelavance, but I am extremely alarmed that GN have reached the decision they have, this is not moderation.
I suspect that I may have burned my boat over this one but it is a decision that I can happily live with, particularly in the absence of any explanation.

I have been a poster since a couple of months after GN inception, and have until the past couple of years or so enjoy posting. But something happened and a nastiness began to creep in that was never present previously. I “learned” how to deal with it but I have never been comfortable dealing with it. It simply isn’t me.

Well I suspect that I will be zapped over this. So goodbye to those folk who I have enjoyed reading. I won’t list names as I don’t wish to offend those kindly souls I may omit.
Enjoy GN.

Presumably, and I could be wrong, the offensive remarks didn't break guidelines because they were quotes from elsewhere and not directly from one person to another on here so no one on here was directly offended, just offended by these quotes that came from somewhere other than this thread. Therefore no guide lines were broken.

Was that ww flouncing off?

This is supposed to be a discussion forum. A proper discussion has to have a context. You can’t discuss in a vacuum and you can’t lay down rules that forbid discussing the wider issues and the context. That just isn’t a discussion.

It calls it “a thread for Corbyn lovers and haters”. That does not mean the “lovers or haters” can’t discuss anything other than Corbyn.

But we are discussing , little point in a vegan posting about the evils of eating flesh on a thread headed - Meat Recipes

Lemongrove, as has been stated by others in this thread on several occasions to yourself and one or two others, nothing can be discussed in a vacuum. All discussions need balance and therefore matters which correspond to the central subject have to be introduced.

Only those which fear weakness in their own argument(s) would protest to the above taking place. Therefore Lemongrove I shall continue to post in this thread whatever I consider salient to the Central discussion.

However, I am off to the office for a few hours, but shall respond as I feel appropriate and "in kind" on return to whatever is stated in this thread during the intervening period.

I certaintly do not consider my dislike of Corbyn's hypocricy a weakness . I do see a weakness in some on this thread who ignore facts which show the hypocricy ,

Jacob Rees Mogg wearing a bow tie is hardly salient to the hypocricy of Corbyn

You may find you're talking either to yourself or like minded people Gd, as I personally am getting a bit sick of being lectured on the virtues of the left wing of the so called labour party, and the horrors of anything or anyone else.. I can't speak for others of course but I doubt I'm alone!

It calls it “a thread for Corbyn lovers and haters”. That does not mean the “lovers or haters” can’t discuss anything other than Corbyn.
Well, that's right, but I think the point I was trying to make was that some valid points that Grandad made which are worthy of further discussion would be lost on this thread and perhaps deserved a thread of their own if he wanted to start one.

Now the right wing on this thread were apparently very offended, and said so loud and clear.
Well, I'm not right-wing but I found the one typed out in full quite sick. I must admit I didn't look at the others as I am suspicious of some links and viruses.

I think 'right wing' has become a euphemism for anyone who disagrees with Corbyn. It probably means centrist. 'Far right wing' would be right of centre, 'exploitative neoliberal capitalist far right wing' would be right of centre, runs a corner shop.

I think we probably need a dictionary

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