Corbyn's Elasticity

Lemongrove, it it you that are making the aligations of widespread bullying, aggressive behaviour and harresment in the Labour party, so, all I am requesting would be that you provide the evidence that I can answer to?

In regard to your reference to 50 plus age people working in the gig economy etc, then that is the "averagage of a Labour party member, so, those people would fall both sides of that age group.

As I stated in an earlier posting in this thread many of the Labour partys new members have come by way of the trade union movement (on site union reps etc) encouraged by their unions to join the Labour party and stand for election in positions of influence in that party.

Nothing wrong with the above at least in my book.

Apologies also Lemongrove that should have read Cadbury in by above post.

grandad The bullying and stuff that happens on social media is pretty horrible to be fair and it's not great to spread it onto GN. Take a look at a few twitter accounts - people like David Baddiel or David Lammy.

Perhaps they just don't like people called 'David'.

Are you seriously saying that the only bullying on social media comes from LP members Primrose? The really is the most outrageously disingenuous post

The That.

Where did I say that?

Primrose, yes I would agree that ther are some very blatant practices on social media. However, that is not within the Labour party structure itself. Therefore, there is little that can actually be done in such cases unless it is proven that a person engaging in such practice is a Labour party member carry out those practices against another party member for self gain or influence within the party.

However, I always believe that the firmest way to tackle such behaviour on social media is just to ignore it and carry on. That stated I never go on Facebook or Twitter, really cannot stand ether site as I do not wish to know what someone befriending me has for breakfast every morning (LOL)

grandad Perhaps you've stumbled on the reason why obesity is rising in the UK - it's all those food photos making people hungry!

I'd agree it's not practical to go through every single post and work out who it is and if they're a member of the LP - you'd need 'Cambridge Analytica' style algorithms to do it.

The LP has said quite openly (and I would agree with them) that they harnessed the power of social media to improve their vote and spread their political message. I'm sure they could use those same skills to promote the kinder and gentler politics that they espouse.

100% agree with that post Primrose. Talking about food I do not feel I shall want much tomorrow as i will be in a huge sewage plant here in the West country looking at safety problems in the methane plant which turned up following the annual safety audit.

Not a bad way to spend Good Friday, think I will go straight off to church afterwards (LOl)

Any forum members like to join me just let me know and turn up at the gate at 8:00am

Where did I say that?

No, it was me who didn't write 'that' Primrose; I wrote 'the' in error.

There are no food photo's on my FB page. It is full of people talking about sewing, machine embroidery and what you can eat on a Fodmap regime. That last one may not be something you wouldn't want to read as it talks about people who are ill but it's a nice, kind, sharing community. I do get the odd bit of political information but nothing you wouldn't share with your elderly aunt. There is also family stuff. ... And then there is this sort of thing which might raise the odd smile even if it doesn't it doesn't offend.

The thing about FB is you can choose who you 'talk' to.

"Another Labour peer, Lord Levy, told the BBC's Newsnight that he had been called a "Jewish pig" in an email after he criticised Mr Corbyn's response to the anti-Semitism row.

He said the message was shown to the Labour leader, but nothing had been done.

But a Labour source told the Press Association: "Jeremy was shown some text on someone’s phone for a matter of seconds when he was on his way to vote. Of course, if something so serious had been raised with Jeremy in more than a passing way for a few seconds he would have been able to engage with it, and would, of course, have acted."

Is 'seeing it briefly on a mobile phone' a euphemism that I'm not familiar with?

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/94054/labour-peer-anti-semitism-row-has-left-me-deeply

Is 'seeing it briefly on a mobile phone' a euphemism that I'm not familiar with
Not necessarily a euphemism but certainly a strategy. You get out your phone, flash the relevant post at the person you are targeting, preferably on their way somewhere important (like a vote where time is limited). You can then say you have showed it to them, although they have almost certainly not been able to read it properly (particularly if they wear glasses) and won't have absorbed what it said. You can then cheerfully complain that you told them and they ignored you.

I imagine there have been cases of insult, even attacks that are both racially and religiously based towards Jews and I imagine that a small percentage have come from both Labour party members and supporters.

However, I believe this happens to many of other ethnicity and religion and from many people outside the group who can be defined as Labour supporters or members, including supporters and members of other parties. There seems to be a level of special pleading in this instance. It has, in the past, been generally agreed that the right to free speech means nothing without the right to offend. We now see many exceptions to this in the case of one religion and one race.

I would generally be on the side of not offending any for their religion or their race, but that may be too simplistic and may lead to draconian measures which could be misused by those wishing to gain power in a none democratic way.

The Labour party can do what needs to be done but they must act within the law too. Just sacking someone may not be an option. We need to look at our laws and make sure that the idea of "offence" is defined and applies to all in the same way.

Much of this has been driven by those who only or also have a wish to undermine democracy. The only thing that will stop that happening is the law. We need to review it and review it quickly.

i will be in a huge sewage plant here in the West country looking at safety problems in the methane plant which turned up following the annual safety audit.
Just wondering which one that is

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

The young supporters of Corbyn have a great example of honesty in their hero. Not.

Jura, when did Lord Levy join the tories ?

It is very true Jura and it is also very destructive of other people's rights. I think we may need the law to intervene before we get this to a reasoned and sensible discussion.

If Corbyn was on his way to vote either he was in The Lords, or Lord Levy was in The Commons, something very odd there , another porkie.

Lord Winston just on tv, not happy with Corbyn

Where's that from Jura?

Ignoring - ad hominin yet again.

My last post refers to Annie's posts of course.

What rights are being destroyed GG? I don't see that. What sort of legal intervention do you mean?

These reactions seem pretty extreme to me - people are protesting about being abused. I don't think people have a right to send hate mail or use hate speech or violence against a person because they belong to a minority group.

Can anyone explain how a someone who has been in The Lords for 21 years was in The House of Commons whilst the house was sitting ?

I watched Lord Levy on Newsnight Annie My understanding is that he reported this to the Leader of the Lords and she was the person who took it up with Corbyn.