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varian Wed 09-May-18 18:40:33

An executive at Airbus says that work on the Galileo sat-nav system will have to be moved out of the UK if the company wins a key contract. Galileo has become something of a political football in Brexit talks. The EU says it would have to stop the UK from accessing the encrypted part of the network when it leaves next year.

Colin Paynter, the company's UK managing director, said that EU rules required Airbus to transfer all work to its factories in France and Germany. Mr Paynter was speaking at a Commons committee hearing on Exiting the European Union on Wednesday.

The system was conceived to give Europe its own satellite-navigation capability - independent of US GPS - for use in telecommunications, commercial applications, by emergency services and the military. Airbus is currently bidding for the renewal of a contract covering the Galileo ground control segment - potentially worth about 200 million euros. This work is currently run out of Portsmouth.

About 100 people are currently employed by Airbus on these services. Most would likely have to move to where the work is, but it's possible some could be reallocated to other projects.

"One of the conditions in that bid documentation from the European Space Agency is that all work has to be led by an EU-based company by March '19," Mr Paynter told the committee. Effectively that means that for Airbus to bid and win that work, we will effectively novate (move) all of the work from the UK to our factories in France and Germany on day one of that contract."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44055475

Bridgeit Mon 02-Jul-18 20:35:56

You are very wrong & I am an extremely patriotic person. just goes to show how easily we can misinterpret another persons comment, that is the danger of these sites, no body language to read.

mostlyharmless Mon 02-Jul-18 20:37:48

Strange that our children and grandchildren voted mainly to Remain in the EU.
It could be seen as a direct disregard of the wishes of the younger generations, for older people to campaign to Leave.
Or is it “we know what’s best for you”?

Allygran1 Mon 02-Jul-18 20:38:52

MaizieD, you can't embarrass me about grammar, or punctuation or spelling. What I think goes down in anyway I want it to. Your basic education must have been a great deal better than mine, at least in those area's. Your a lefty and you are suppose to champion the imperfect like me!! Mmmm, left wing snobbery.

Allygran1 Mon 02-Jul-18 20:40:21

Varian that really is a stretch...really!

Allygran1 Mon 02-Jul-18 20:41:41

Jura, you won't have got that from me, I am asking about the future, not the past. Stop defending the indefensible.

Bridgeit Mon 02-Jul-18 20:41:58

I fear the younger generation has been let down, their futures have surely been affected by the referendum outcome.

jura2 Mon 02-Jul-18 20:42:00

I was not born Lemongrove. My dad did not sit on his bottom... well he did, on his Swiss army bike, which I still have...serving right through the war to protect our country, which was threatened from all sides. My mother served too. If you don’t understand why Switzerland had to remain neutral during the war, do have a look at a map, perhaps. Any sign and they would have been wiped out.

lemongrove Mon 02-Jul-18 20:44:45

Mostly it was one person one vote, quite fair.
It could also be seen as the younger generation being afraid to come out from behind Mummy’s skirts.
In any case, many younger people did vote Leave.

Allygran1 Mon 02-Jul-18 20:45:49

Bridget you may have taken Jura's comments as 'tongue in cheek" so did we, that is the point we are making. It was a mocking quite overt implication.

lemongrove Mon 02-Jul-18 20:48:10

They didn’t ‘serve’ Jura they were neutrals, and yes, I do understand the geography of it, but since the Swiss came through the war unscathed and Britain did not, and since you insist you are as British as me, then you should desist from sneery remarks about Leavers and Vera Lynn.

Bridgeit Mon 02-Jul-18 20:48:42

Lemongrove, the person & the comments are part & parcel of the individual . It’s pointless to say otherwise, or else we could make do with a robotic response, something along the lines of : Bridgeit your comment does not conform to my data , re set & try again, I am not programmed to deal with your input .

jura2 Mon 02-Jul-18 20:48:50

I am defending what I truly believe in, for our future.

If I wanted to be selfish and self centred, I would just not care. OH and myself both have dual nationality, so have our daughters and grandchildren. SIL has Irish nationality, so they all have access to EU, and Switzerland. From that point of view, I could hope things will go seriously wrong... so they move over. But I can’t, as I care passionately about the open, tolerant and amazing country I chose to adopt, and that took me on with open arms.

Bridgeit Mon 02-Jul-18 20:50:00

Allygran1 Who is the we you are referring to. Is there some sort of conspiracy going on, shame on you

Allygran1 Mon 02-Jul-18 20:50:08

Bridgiet the future of our up coming generations have been altered for the better. What I still cannot understand is why when you have all the evidence before you about the EU, the failing Country's in the EEA, the vast amounts of money being wasted, the unelected nature of the organisation, and I could go on and on, well we have gone on and on, why you can't see what is before you, to the point of being blinkered.

jura2 Mon 02-Jul-18 20:50:33

Oh yes they served, for the duration of the war, to protect our country and people.

mostlyharmless Mon 02-Jul-18 20:51:08

Of course some younger people did vote Leave lemongrove. But 71% of under 25s voted Remain.

lemongrove Mon 02-Jul-18 20:51:26

No Brid you are quite wrong.Nobody wants a robotic response but not a bitchy one either, and there have been many on this thread.

Jalima1108 Mon 02-Jul-18 20:52:28

That is good.
However, the British fought and lost their lives to protect other countries as well as their own from Nazism.

Allygran1 Mon 02-Jul-18 20:53:04

I hope that I have misinterpreted what you have just said in your post Bridgeit. Did you accuse me of being in a conspiracy? I sincerely hope not.

First shame on you, what a dreadful mindset you must have.
Second, what sort of conspiracy are you referring to explain yourself!

jura2 Mon 02-Jul-18 20:53:28

It was not me, but Leavers, who thought it was appropriate to put massive effigies of your heroin sticking a finger up to France. Talk about disrespect and misuse.

lemongrove Mon 02-Jul-18 20:54:16

Come off it Jura
Both Germany and Italy ( who were allies) and everybody else respected Swiss neutrality.
The Swiss people were not protecting anything.

lemongrove Mon 02-Jul-18 20:54:41

They didn’t need to!

mostlyharmless Mon 02-Jul-18 20:55:05

Lots of xenophobia on this thread.

MaizieD Mon 02-Jul-18 20:55:10

MaizieD. Why is it that you either have to call people stupid or idiots, when you don't agree.

Context, Ally. context. There are some very poor comprehension skills in evidence on this thread. Try reading my post about the Irish border again.

The chap is not an IT professional; however much he might know about borders and border control. Nobody in their right minds would put a completely untried IT system into such a sensitive area as the NI border. Let alone the fact that such a system doesn't even exist.

No doubt I can find something about live animals and EU and of course British regs as they will be on Brexit. That is a valid point.

Let me help you:

defra.dialogue-app.com/checks-on-third-country-imports

We will be a 'third country'. The Defra information states the EU regulations which apply to the import of live animals into the EU from third countries. You can be certain that the EU will not waive their regulations for the Irish border after Brexit. There are no technological substitutes for the physical inspection of live animals. And what about the animals on farms along the border. Is there going to be physical checks on them as they wander backwards and forwards at will across the border in their fields?

I remember 'the troubles' in NI with great clarity. That anyone should contemplate even the slightest risk of a re-occurrence of them utterly appals me.

Bridgeit Mon 02-Jul-18 20:55:42

Allygran please grow up & get over yourself

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