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Jacob Rees-Mogg Moves For Conservative Party Leadership.

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Grandad1943 Wed 23-May-18 17:49:55

With an open attack on Theresa Mays handling of the Brexit negotiations many in the media believe that Jacob Rees-Mogg has made his first open move in a bid to become Conservative party leader and Britain's next Prime Minister.

Rees-Mogg in yet another of his ongoing interviews with the media lambasted "weak" Theresa May for preparing the UK for "Brexit failure". Rees-Mogg stated that with The British negotiators going into each set of negotiations with an attitude of "we will kowtow before you, Mr Barnier in every way you possible throughout these talks" there is no hope of success for the UK. The foregoing are undoubtedly harsh words indeed even from an arch hard line Brexitier, but many believe that there is far more to Rees-Moggs words than just Brexit.

It may well be that this hard line right wing politician has witnessed the way that Jeremy Corbyn has moved the Labour party to the left and now feels he could carry out the same in the Conservative party with the exception of that move being in the opposite direction in regards to political ground.

Evidence to the above can be seen in Rees-Moggs attack on Scottish Conservative Leader Ruth Davison, for in the same interview he stated that Davison should not be allowed to marry her longtime same sex partner as planned. However, same sex marriage legislation was put before parliament and passed in 2013 under the David Cameron coalition government.

In making the above comment Rees-Mogg is undoubtedly looking to damage Ruth Davison, who also is seen as a possible next leader of the Conservative party. That stated, it is also being seen as a move against centre ground Concervatives in parliament.

In the above can be seen shades of Momentum's original moves against centre Blairite MPs in the Labour party.

Deedaa Wed 23-May-18 20:39:13

I remember Alec Douglas Home seeming like a dinosaur when I was a student. I can't believe that in the 21st century the Tories are still digging them up. Not that it will bother me because nothing would ever induce me to vote for them after the Brexit debacle.

Grandad1943 Wed 23-May-18 20:42:27

Anyway, I am off to water my garden. In that it may well represent the future fate of the centre MPs in the Tory party, known as "wets" in Maggie Thatchers days

POGS Wed 23-May-18 20:45:05


Can you put a link or state where Jacob Rees Mogg has said the things in your OP.

I am certainly not saying your OP is mistaken but to agree / disagree or debate the points raised it would be ideal to hear or read his words to understand the tone or context of what you are reporting about him.


Jalima1108 Wed 23-May-18 20:54:12

Lemongrove, your view of the Conservative Party was largely destroyed by varions posting above @ 19:58 today so I will not repeat those very true statements.

Oh - I thought varian's post was jocular - certainly it cannot be taken seriously!

If Jacob R-M wants to become PM would he not first have to bring a motion of no confidence in Theresa May?

Jalima1108 Wed 23-May-18 21:01:36

all MPs have ambition to be Ladder of their party and prime Minister, that is why the go into politics in the first place.

No one wishes to be an "also ran" in what ever profession or occupation they join.

I don't agree with either statement Grandad. Many who become MPs want to do their best for their constituents, some may wish to achieve high office and a very few may want to become PM.

And as for the second statement - being a valuable member of a team without necessarily being 'team leader' is not the same as being an also-ran.
That would define the majority of the population who are not the PM or the top person in their chosen walk of life as 'losers', 'undistinguished' or 'unsuccessful'.

Anniebach Wed 23-May-18 21:03:42

Lemon, keep posting as you wish to, no one can speak for us all when decided what you should or shouldn’t post

Anniebach Wed 23-May-18 21:04:45

Not all MP’s wish to be leader of their party - fact

Jalima1108 Wed 23-May-18 21:05:21

Anyway, I am off to water my garden
I think the forecast is for rain tonight

Grandad1943 Wed 23-May-18 21:07:43

Here you are POGS two of the URLs you requested.

Hope they work for you POGS as they are through links on Google Newstand that I always use for a mixture of interests

Now I am definitely off to water my garden while it is still light.

Anniebach Wed 23-May-18 21:10:00

It mustn’t rain untill Friday, my volunteer eco gardeners are coming tomorrow to work on my wild flower meadow.

Wonder how many would join the Tory party if they sold votes for three quid.

Day6 Wed 23-May-18 21:16:15

"nothing would ever induce me to vote for them after the Brexit debacle."

I find that amusing. One would hope you are a Green or a Lib Dem then?

Please don't tell me you could vote for Labour after the

a) anti-semitism disgrace
b) lack of condemnation for Russia in the poisonings outrage (when all of Europe and the USA stood beside us in condemnation)
c) Trans-women and self ID slap in the face for women
d) dithering as to whether they want in or out of the EU.
e) wishy-washy regard for the security of the UK and defence policies.
f) hard left/Marxist control at all levels of the party
g) deselection (and harassment) of moderate members standing for election

Anniebach Wed 23-May-18 21:26:54

Are you asking me Day6? ?

lemongrove Wed 23-May-18 22:07:52

Annie smile
Just that I had said what I wanted to say about JRM and there wasn’t really any more to add to it.grin

Does anyone think that Labour ( or rather the Leader) doesn’t want Brexit?
Cameron, and for that matter T May wanted to Remain but have to honour the result as promised and Corbyn thinks the same ( for different reasons, a Socialist agenda.)
That list Day6 Quite something isn’t it?

Anniebach Wed 23-May-18 22:15:29

Corbyn has always wanted out, now it depends which way the wind blows, he wants to be all things to all people, such a sweetie ?

Jalima1108 Wed 23-May-18 23:08:28

such a sweetie
I thought about Jeremy today when I was jam-making because I would welcome his advice about setting point.
It would be no good asking Jacob's opinion because I expect his nanny makes his jam.

Anniebach Thu 24-May-18 08:40:18

I think the affection he has for nanny is lovely, ?,

yggdrasil Thu 24-May-18 09:27:04

What about Lord Lucan, then?

lemongrove Thu 24-May-18 09:30:42

Why, have they found him??

maryeliza54 Thu 24-May-18 09:34:07

I think it seems quite obvious now that SJ is astutely and clearly setting out his stall for PM - he’s terribly good at promising the world whilst never quite getting round to delivering it.

Anniebach Thu 24-May-18 09:59:52

Lord Lucan thought he was battering his wife to death. Just can’t trust husbands can you? As Mrs Corbyn 1 and Mrs Corbyn 2, discovered.

maryeliza54 Thu 24-May-18 10:06:13

JC battered two wives to death? confused

maryeliza54 Thu 24-May-18 10:06:48

Or thought he was?

eazybee Thu 24-May-18 11:17:21

His present wife looks very pleasant.
Why does she remain invisible?

Anniebach Thu 24-May-18 12:39:50

Perhaps the present Mrs Corbyn spends time in Mexico with her coffee bean business

Grandad1943 Thu 24-May-18 12:42:26

The problem is for the Tories and their supporters would be that Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party, whatever their perceived problems do not form the British government.

Theresa May following her outright failure to gain an overall majority in the 2017 General election, then bought power from the UDP in one of the most "seedy" deals in the history of British politics which has an ongoing cost to mainland taxpayers of well over a billion pounds. However, even in that the Tories have not been able to bring about a stable Government in the UK by creating any unity in their parliamentary party that has been able to bring forward a concerted negotiating position in the Brexit talks.

In the above, the position has deteriorated even further in recent weeks as once again we have witnessed the cabinet deeply divided with Theresa Mays own Foreign Secretary describing one part solution put forward as "stupid".

Is it any wonder then that the extreme right of the conservative party has decided to make a bid for power at this time. Jacob Rees-Mogg and his supporters have without doubt looked on as Momentum, the Trade Unions and Jeremy Corbyn have reshaped the policies and direction of the Labour party and the wider Labour movement in the country to create a party of over half a million strong.

The ageing and dwindling Tory membership and supporters can do little at this time, but try to turn attention onto the Labour party as they witness their organization's unity and structure slip away before their eyes.

However, as stated it is not the Labour party that is in government in Britain, it is the Conservatives with their purchased power, and they are falling apart as all in the Uk can see.

In the office today, so, finished my coffee and now back to work