Jacob Rees-Mogg Moves For Conservative Party Leadership.

As trisher you have said your grandfather was a communist and how proud you were of him I find it odd you consider communism to be insulting. And I never say Corbynista, I do say Corbynites, why is this offensive? If you support him it’s a compliment surely

Quote anniebach [And some Labour leaders have to jump when union bosses say jump.] End Quote

Anniebach, as your fifty years membership of the Labour party must have taught you the trade unions are an integral part of the Labour party. The Palimentery Party was born out of the Trade Unions over a century ago and it is all part of the wider Labour movement in the country.

Therefore anniebach if you cannot accept the above fact should you really remain as a member of that party, as the situation will never change

I find the unions being part of the Labour party a far better situation than in the Tory party where individuals give donations and then make demands on the party for their own gain.

Disgusting.

When you learn how to discuss instead of pontificating you may find posters will respond

Oh, could not find an answer to the real point put forward then anniebach

None, from anybody ?
Or just none that you choose to answer?

Still hoping for an apology for your rude post “about” Anniebach, surely you were brought up to have better manners?
Do have a look at the conventions regarding quoting and using usernames etc.
I find it off that you have joined a forum but persist in ignoring the way things are done on GN.

I think I have been threatened

If Corbynista is thought of as an insult by someone who supports Jeremy Corbyn, why are t-shirts sold with CORBYNISTA displayed across the front?

Does anyone think that is a good idea?
No

Jacob isn't even in the Cabinet yet. Isn't he jumping the gun a bit??

Yes mrsmopp.

Annie It is insulting to call anyone something they are not. You have often protested about being called a Tory. As for my grandfather-yes I am proud of him. He was a union man and a communist when being either could find you without work, he refused to comply with the standard of the time of bribing the foreman to get work. He had principles, so do I. This means we would never subscribe to something we had no intention of supporting or constantly denigrated. We would both do the honest thing and get out.

So trisher, you are not a communist, a militant, a Corbynite, a member of the Labour Party ? clear as mud.

Oops, and not part of Momentum .

I never understood what is supposed to wrong with communism. Stalinism was wrong, but communism?

MawBroon

I find it off that you have joined a forum but persist in ignoring the way things are done on GN.

Grandad isn't the only 'new poster' who persistently ignores 'the way things are done on Gnet'. Why is he singled out for criticism?

Very true maizie.

It's not the actual terms 'communist', 'Corbynista' etc. that are the problem. It's the fact that they are being used pejoratively, (whatever the person using them might disingenuously assert) . Context and 'tone' have to be considered.

I sort of understand that MaizieD. Wasn't 'politically correct' another one of those phrases that connote other than they denote. This is a problem in other discussion websites I join in. And of course an even huger problem with political publicity. I don't like forked tongues but it seems we have to deal with it. The way to deal with it is to know about the problem. Blaming individuals is not the way to deal with the problem, as individuals may be unaware that there is a problem.

I myself had to have the nasty undertones of the phrase 'political correctness' explained to me.

Oh nobody is being singled out Maizied but if I am “talking” to someone am I really expected to add on “this may apply to other posters as well”?

But to repeat, there is a perfectly acceptable convention to avoid confusion regarding quoted comments and user names, so why ignore it?

Well I suppose if you are happy with NOT having freedom of speech, freedom of the expression, freedom of movement outside the prescribed areas, freedom of religion, freedom of lifestyle, in other words the freedoms we take for granted eroded, then communism is fine!!

Alexa wrote
"I never understood what is supposed to wrong with communism. Stalinism was wrong, but communism?*
Me neither. We've had long arguments about this in the past.

Why is he singled out for criticism?
I think because, in the main, he singles out one particular poster and harangues that poster for her beliefs.

The five communist counties

China

Cuba

Laos

North Korea

Vietnam

State owned media

Private ownership illegal

Elections are single party affairs

I have never joined any political party although I am not saying that I never would in order to achieve an aim.

However, if a person has been a member of a political party for many years and that party moves with the times in order to get elected and bring about some reforms why should that person leave the party when it gets taken over by old-fashioned instead of forward-looking politicians controlled by a somewhat shadowy movement and, thus, as many would say, making themselves unelectable?

Would it not be better to work within that party with like-minded politicians, party members etc to try to bring about rational policies together with a leader who could make that party electable again.
Carrying on down the same, so far unelectable, route is not going to achieve the aim of replacing the Tory Government. Introducing de-selection will mean many good and popular MPs could be lost and Labour could spend even longer in the wilderness.

Jacob Rees-Mogg Moves For Conservative Party Leadership.

Leadership without a GE means becoming PM - and sniggering posts about Jacob Rees-Mogg will achieve nothing because he will not become PM.

I choose to remain with the party whilst there are still many labour MP’s with whom I have trust.