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Corbyn / BBC declare social class of employees?

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POGS Thu 23-Aug-18 00:23:58

It is said Corbyn will today (Thursday) announce how Labour will reform the BBC. If this turns out to be false news then I apologise now.

It is being discussed in the media how one of his /Labours ideas is for the BBC to declare the ' Social Class ' of employees.

If this is even a thought I find that principal very alarming and if true I expect the Labour Party to lead by example and do the same for all employees including the Shadow Cabinet and all MP's.

How do you work out a persons Social Class? By Wealth, Education, Family background?

I would tell somebody requiring that of me to ' Go Forth'.

Ilovecheese Fri 24-Aug-18 18:39:07

"Take off your love goggles when viewing him."
Some people on this forum seem to think that anyone who likes the policies of the Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn, only agree with the policies because they like Jeremy Corbyn, and that is just not the case.

Anniebach Fri 24-Aug-18 18:59:16

So ‘class’ doesn’t come into it Ilovecheese?

Ilovecheese Fri 24-Aug-18 19:18:28

No, class does not come into being or not being a good parent.

sluttygran Fri 24-Aug-18 19:49:49

Having done a little research, I have found that someone apparently looked at all the BBC senior staff and discovered that they were predominantly privately educated, and came from extremely advantaged backgrounds.
It was also noted that when the BBC’s charter was due for renewal, the present Govt made it clear that unless the BBC ‘played nicely’, the charter would not be reinstated - hence the present rather obvious right-wing bias shown in their current affairs programming.
On hearing about this, Jeremy Corbyn said that in order to achieve a better balance in the management of our national broadcasting service, it might be prudent to make sure that applicants from all walks of life had a fair chance of a job in this great (?) institution.
This differs vastly from the inference of the sort of rigid communistic control of which he stands accused.
I just thought I would set the record straight in the interests of fair play.
I have removed my ‘love goggles’ as advised, and find that I still see Corbyn as a sound and honest politician, although for my part I would prefer him to be a less moderate and a more left wing.

Jalima1108 Fri 24-Aug-18 19:58:33

So much for all those who think the Beeb is biased towards the left-wing then!

Anniebach Fri 24-Aug-18 19:59:41

Would you post the links please, especially the one which claims the present government made it clear etc , thank you

Jalima1108 Fri 24-Aug-18 20:00:20

Yes, that would be interesting and quite surprising.

Anniebach Fri 24-Aug-18 20:04:08

I assume it was said by someone from the beeb , or perhaps someone in no 10 stirring things for this government !

POGS Fri 24-Aug-18 20:48:13

sluttygran

Why do you think Corbyn / Labour are concentrating on the BBC and not the media in general.

YET !!!

What would you think should be done about the information?

If this is for ' transparency ' why not lead by example and publish the 'Social Class ' of all Labour Shadow Cabinet, MP's and employees?

Jalima1108 Fri 24-Aug-18 20:50:14

publish the 'Social Class ' of all Labour Shadow Cabinet, MP's and employees?
Not forgetting Momentum POGS!

lemongrove Fri 24-Aug-18 21:34:01

sluttygran you are joking I take it? grin when you say
‘I would prefer him to be less moderate and more left wing’
There isn’t anyone more left wing! Unless you are a hardline Communist.

M0nica Fri 24-Aug-18 21:35:16

We already know that 9 out of the last 11 leaders all had 'middle class' backgrounds.

Mr Corbyn's spin doctor Seumas Milne, is the son of a previous Director General of the BBC, Alastair Milne, and was educated at Winchester and Oxford, now that's a privileged background that is almost 'upper class'.

So the Labour party is led by a privately educated, but not academically high flying man whose closest aide went to arguably the most rigorously academic school, public or private, in the country and then went on to Oxford to read PPE, the subject studied by all the highly privileged offspring of establishment families who have political ambitions. David Cameron read PPE.

I suggest that scrutiny of movers and shakers and those in privileged positions, like charity, should begin at home.

sluttygran Fri 24-Aug-18 22:02:21

All the information you require is freely available on the internet should you choose to search for it.
I will put up links tomorrow if you do not wish to bother looking for the information.
Alternatively, I’m sure that the Daily Mail will provide you with enough anti-left ‘information’ to last a lifetime.
Jeremy Corbyn is a long way from being a communist. I am far more left wing in my opinions than he is, but I still fall far short of communism.

Anniebach Fri 24-Aug-18 22:07:48

The Daily Mail is suppose to be on the right , I will wait for your links, thank you

sluttygran Sat 25-Aug-18 00:17:46

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/conservative-rift-has-emerged-over-undemocratic-plan-to-reform-the-bbc-a7018936.html

www.theguardian.com/media/2016/may/04/bbc-john-whittingdale-impartiality?CMP=share_btn_link

janeainsworth Sat 25-Aug-18 07:38:35

I’m not sure what you’re trying to show with those links slutty.
They’re both over two years old and refer to John Whittingdale who was Culture Secretary in the Coalition Government but isn’t in office now.

Riverwalk Sat 25-Aug-18 07:57:54

Corbyn has a point - the BBC is publicly-funded and it's fair game for politicians to comment, rather like aiming for less-privileged children being admitted to the better universities.

Some time back, I commented here on Lenny Henry's criticism of the BBC regarding ethnic minorities; I said then that it more of a class issue.

Anniebach Sat 25-Aug-18 08:30:09

Thank you sluttygran.

sluttygran Sat 25-Aug-18 08:54:29

janeainsworth
Preparations for the renewal of the BBC charter were in full swing at that time.
John Whittingdale, who was indeed in Office at that time, was felt to have obliquely threatened the BBC with loss of its Royal Charter as he believed that too many programs offered a leftist bias, and had done so for some time.
Preparations for the White paper and renewed Charter take a long time to complete.

Anniebach Sat 25-Aug-18 09:00:36

sluttygran, you said - on hearing this Corbyn etc.

It was reported two years ago, now Corbyn heard of it?

sluttygran Sat 25-Aug-18 09:57:09

Anniebach

I don’t know when Corbyn heard of it, he hasn’t told me!

However, he observed that the higher echelon of the Beeb was peopled almost exclusively by those from a very advantaged background, with what might be regarded as ‘high Tory’ connections.

He did not demand that everyone’s social class should be published, but felt that transparency was necessary to prevent any conflict of interests.
A question was also raised as to whether senior BBC journalists should be appointed on the basis of ‘jobs for the boys’.
Journalism has traditionally been the route by which very able people of whatever social origin could make their way to the top professionally, and obviously this could not happen within the corporation if the posts were only granted to applicants from the more exclusive public schools.

As for Jeremy Corbyn’s own supposedly upper class origins, I would say that’s something of an urban myth. His parents weren’t poor, both being accomplished academics who worked hard so that their four sons could have the best education possible, but they did not come from wealthy, privileged or aristocratic backgrounds, and were themselves committed Socialists,
None of these details are kept private - they are all available for public perusal.

Having an advantaged background can have two outcomes; one can join the elite and try to exclude the less advantaged from the charmed circle, or like the great Tony Benn, you can use your education and influence to help the whole of society to have a better quality of life. That’s what Socialism is about.

Socialism is often confused with Communism, and without going into a long diatribe, I would urge everyone who hasn’t already done so to read into the subject.

In my humble opinion, all right-minded people are Socialist by nature, but maybe have not yet become aware of their true leanings!

POGS Sat 25-Aug-18 10:13:09

ssluttygran

Your first link dated 8th May 2016 has absolutely no bearing to the questions you are evading.

I did note from the link this comment by Former culture minister David Lammy :-

"The pre-briefing we're seeing, tinkering with schedules, now going on about pay, it's very, very threatening to an institution that's loved, that needs to reform - and I've given the BBC a hard time about diversity...

"But, that said, this is a great institution that deserves to be supported and some of this pre-briefing nonsense, it's really about undermining and softening the place up to do a hatchet job."
--

Your other link to the Guardian dated 4the of May 2016 has nothing to do with Corbyn / Labours BBC proposal either.

We had a thread on regarding your links.

www.gransnet.com/forums/culture_arts/1226889-John-Whittingdale-and-the-BBC

Anniebach Sat 25-Aug-18 10:22:59

Corbyn’s first wife went to Cambridge and then worked for the BBC as a reporter .

Corbyn’s parents bought a large country house in the fifties , with a paddock! Reminds me of George Osbourne and his paddock.

Corbyn’s son Sebastian went to Cambridge , now work in Labour HQ

Surprised to read Corbyn’s brother Piers who went to Queen Mary’s London - a weatherman and business man was supported by Boris Johnson when he dismissed global warming.

Jalima1108 Sat 25-Aug-18 10:30:48

As for Jeremy Corbyn’s own supposedly upper class origins, I would say that’s something of an urban myth. His parents weren’t poor, both being accomplished academics who worked hard so that their four sons could have the best education possible, but they did not come from wealthy, privileged or aristocratic backgrounds, and were themselves committed Socialists,
I did not say aristocratic but I do maintain that he came from a privileged background sluttygran.

That is by my standards, of course, but by your standards his background may not appear to be privileged.

Sometimes I wonder if his failure to do very well at school nd perhaps the fact that he failed to get into a top university colours his views of others who did.

In fact, I am surprised that, coming from the background that he did, he believes that those coming from a so-called privileged background are biased to the right. His mother having come from a privileged background, his father less so but a high achiever were both committed Socialists - which disproves Corbyn's point surely?

trisher Sat 25-Aug-18 10:34:51

sluttygran welcome to GN where you will find yourself labelled a communist no matter how hard you protest and point out the difference. Socialism and Communism are regarded with equal horror on here. And frequent references are made about how we will be forced into a communist regime by the Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn. It's useless to try logical arguments about this. But please do keep on posting many of the left wingers on GN have left driven off by the absolute and inflexible attitudes of some right wing supporters. (Oh and be prepared to be labelled a Corbynista apparently we can't have any personal left wing beliefs but follow him devotedly!)
Thank you for the links. I wonder how many realise that the BBC is currently practising selection which promotes ethnic minorities and women because their representation in the organisation is so low. It seems to me that actively promoting people with less afluent backgrounds who have been to ordinary schools would also make things more equal.