Corbyn / BBC declare social class of employees?

What a load of old tosh trisher

I don't put labels on people as you have appeared to do in your post trisher - but if you are in the business of 'labelling' then could you tell me, if JC is left-wing' and someone says that they would be far to the left of him, just what 'label' would that attract please?

I will label myself as moderate and I think that JC's policies are to the left of mine.
Although much is laudable, some are rather potty.

Sometimes I wonder if his failure to do very well at school and perhaps the fact that he failed to get into a top university colours his views of others who did.
Jalima do you not remember the '60s when education was regarded as something more than just academic achievement and people were not measured simply by their certificates? Perhaps he still recognises there are other abilities and more important values. It's actually a really good philosophy, sadly no longer promoted.

[sigh]
I think two high-achieving parents would have been rather disappointed

Jalima do you not remember the '60s when education was regarded as something more than just academic achievement and people were not measured simply by their certificates?
And no, I don't, I went to a school which stuffed us full of information in order to pass exams.

Had I the time Jalima I could find references to support every word of my tosh. But I'll just say I have been called a communist- I'm not. And there are quite a few posts on this thread about what would happen and how a Corbyn government would be a communist one. I have also been called a Corbynista and there are left wing posters who have left. So what bit of it is tosh? Please post the bits.

sluttygran

" However, he observed that the higher echelon of the Beeb was peopled almost exclusively by those from a very advantaged background, with what might be regarded as ‘high Tory’ connections. "

I think you may find it is not Tory but Left Wing/Labour connections at the BBC. Irrespective of which why should the 'Social Class' be assumed as being a 'Tory ' domain?

Under the old bigoted class warfare what do you think should be done? What could happen ? What is the underlying purpose of knowing in truth?
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" He did not demand that everyone’s social class should be published, but felt that transparency was necessary to prevent any conflict of interests. "

Yes he did.

If this proposal was under the guise of ' transparency to prevent any conflict of interest ' ' then why not have to declare your political bias/allegiance, your sex/gender, your race etc?

Why Social Class is even relevant as proof of how biased something can be eludes me. It is like saying saying if you are from a certain social class you cannot and must not represent others, know your place, worst of all the smack of bigotry / class warfare is most worrying.
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" this could not happen within the corporation if the posts were only granted to applicants from the more exclusive public schools. "

Are you saying there are no journalists employed by the BBC that are NOT from public schools?
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" Having an advantaged background can have two outcomes; one can join the elite and try to exclude the less advantaged from the charmed circle, or like the great Tony Benn, you can use your education and influence to help the whole of society to have a better quality of life. That’s what Socialism is about. "

That is my point !!!!!!!

Only bigotry and class warfare thinks differently.

Jalima just because you haven't experienced something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Try blogs.ubc.ca/chendricks/2017/10/21/open-education-in-the-60s-and-70s/
It's a reasonable and short explanation of what was happening. Read about the 1972 paper

trisher
I agree with you wholeheartedly, and feel that I shall restrict my ‘Gransnetting’ to more anodyne subjects in future.
On a closing note, I declare myself a proud Socialist and possibly a Corbynista, despite my own very advantaged background.

Socialism and Communism are regarded with equal horror on here

I don't think that is true - there are many Liberal supporters too. There are also many posters who would like to see an electable Labour party but fear it will never be elected again under Corbyn influenced by the rather sinister Momentum.

Because one is a critic of Corbyn does not make one right-wing or a Rees-Mogg supporter.

As for trying to prove that Corbyn's background is not privileged depends, of course, on someone's standards of privilege. But it was certainly more so than the majority in the 1950s and 1960s.

On a closing note, I declare myself a proud Socialist and possibly a Corbynista, despite my own very advantaged background
sluttygran
Were you To the Manor Born

Jalima please read through the posts the conjecture about what a Corbyn led government would result in is ridiculous. And of course Corbyn can be criticised, but trying to elicit any information about what policies people don't like is virtually impossible. Just personal attacks on his education and background.

trisher

I usually try to ignore your interjections of a personal nature but could we stick to at least one thread that does not revolve around your personal theories of how mistreated you are on Gransnet .

The mirror beckons me thinks.

Just personal attacks on his education and background.
Not attacks - just setting the record straight when posters claimed otherwise - or were disseminating fake news.

labour.org.uk/manifesto/

People can have a look to see if it says anything about the BBC and privilege.

Sluttygron Thank you for the links. I wonder how many realise that the BBC is currently practising selection which promotes ethnic minorities and women because their representation in the organisation is so low

These “links” date from 2016
How can that be interpreted as current practice Trisher?

Apologies for misspelling Sluttygran’s name.

This is a quote from Channel 4's John Snow who was at the same conference discussing the same issue.
"We the media report the lack of diversity in other walks of life - but our own record is nothing like good enough. The Sutton Trust has revealed that just under 80% of top editors were educated at private or grammar schools. Compare that with the 88% of the British public now at comprehensives.
"In order to get a mainstream media staff job you need:
a masters degree, a series of unpaid internships, and a place to stay in the London area, without any guarantee of it working out. Barriers to entry into this highly competitive industry largely on the basis of background rather than merit. It's a central cause of our disconnect."
The media is too powerful to allow it to be controlled by one section of society who can adversely affect the lives of those with little or no power.
Corbyn's suggestion (and it was nothing more than that) may not be the right way to deal with the problem but it is hard to understand why people seem to think that there is no problem to be solved and he was right to highlight the problem, as was John Snow.

Mawbroon
The links do date back to 2016, this being the time when the renewal of the BBC. Charter was being drafted and planned.
There was a strong feeling at the time that too much influence was being brought to bear by the two main political parties, and that journalistic independence was being compromised
It seemed to me at the time that the BBC was indeed a little towards the left, and that was not proper.
It appears however, that the pendulum has now moved too far to the right, again prejudicing unbiased reportage.

POGS who have I attacked personally? Are you referring to my explanation of GN to sluttygran? I simply explained what has happened to those of us who have professed socialism in the past. It saves a lot of time.

PS. No need at all to apologise for the misspelling. A rose by any other name .....

Jalima
I have to admit to being To the Manor Born
Does that make my opinion less valid?

I agree sluttygran and I really have no objection to the Beeb recruiting from under represented parts of society. In spite of the fact that it has actively resulted in someone close to me being ruled out of something. I think extending the parameters of this to include education would be interesting. There were in the past many members of the priveleged classes who were socialists but actually I find it very difficult to name anyone like Tony Benn these days. (I'm happy to be corrected). It was possibly these people who gave the Beeb its left-wing bias.

Jon Snow went to preparatory school, an independent boarding school (public school), technical college and Liverpool University.

I wonder what Social Class he would put himself in and wonder why or if he thinks it has had any bearing on his career in journalism? I think for the reason of being ' impartial' as this is ' suppoisedly ' all about then political persuasion might be of more interest!

Likewise what does the Social Class of his extended family such as Peter Snow and Dan Snow have to do with their journalistic careers.?

sluttygran Sat 25-Aug-18 11:39:55

Jalima
I have to admit to being To the Manor Born
Does that make my opinion less valid?
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No !

You keep making the point Social Class does not make ' anybody's opinion less valid.

" It was possibly these people who gave the Beeb its left-wing bias."

Couldn't make it up.