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Corbyn / BBC declare social class of employees?

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POGS Thu 23-Aug-18 00:23:58

It is said Corbyn will today (Thursday) announce how Labour will reform the BBC. If this turns out to be false news then I apologise now.

It is being discussed in the media how one of his /Labours ideas is for the BBC to declare the ' Social Class ' of employees.

If this is even a thought I find that principal very alarming and if true I expect the Labour Party to lead by example and do the same for all employees including the Shadow Cabinet and all MP's.

How do you work out a persons Social Class? By Wealth, Education, Family background?

I would tell somebody requiring that of me to ' Go Forth'.

trisher Sat 25-Aug-18 12:14:51

Mmm Jon Snow and Dan Snow now there's nepotism at it's best. Does anyone seriously think that Dan Snow (at best a mediocre journalist and presenter) would have made it without daddy's help? In spite of his good looks? Now Neil Oliver there's someone who made it on his own merits.

POGS Sat 25-Aug-18 12:25:31

trisher

Jon Snow is not ' the daddy ' of Dan Snow so why do you accuse him of nepotism. What information do you have to accuse him of nepotism?

As for nepotism it is rife at the top of the Labour Party is it not?

Perhaps that should be included as a model for ' transparency'.

MawBroon Sat 25-Aug-18 12:48:03

gringrin
Dan Snow is not Jon Snow’s son! gringrin

His father (or so his mother says) is Peter Snow , granted, also a journalist turned TV journalist, but it is not all that unusual for careers to run in families.
Dan Snow is an eminent historian in his own right anyway.
If you want to rant, check your facts first. Like Sluttygran might think of checking the dates on her “current practice” links.

Anniebach Sat 25-Aug-18 12:55:13

Sebastian Corbyn is John McDonalds Chief of Staff = nepotism?

Anniebach Sat 25-Aug-18 12:57:12

Nepotism ? So this explains five generations of my family getting jobs as coal miners

mostlyharmless Sat 25-Aug-18 13:09:34

Peter Snow (BBC journalist) is Dan Snow’s father, but Jon Snow (BBC journalist) is his cousin. His great-great grandfather was Lloyd George (Prime Minister) and his father in law was the Duke of Westminster (third richest person in UK in 2016).
One of the elite I think you can safely say!

Anniebach Sat 25-Aug-18 13:20:54

Journalists are the elite?

Nopotism ?

Tony Benn was the son of Viscount Wedgewood Benn and grandson of Sir John Benn a Baronet. The name Wedgewood was included because Viscount Benns mother was a relative of Joshua Wedgewood

trisher Sat 25-Aug-18 13:41:50

Top salaried TV journalists are an elite Annie A select group of individuals who influence your thinking.

Benn as far as I know never used his aristocratic family connections.

Anniebach Sat 25-Aug-18 13:46:29

And does Dan Snow influence your thinking Trisher ?

So elite now means high salaries ?

TV journalists influence your thinking, not mine

Jaycee5 Sat 25-Aug-18 13:47:31

There is too much nepotism which is part of the same problem, both in politics and journalism. I have always thought that MPs should follow the same rules that Councils have to when employing staff. That would stop them both employing relatives or employing each other's relatives unless they can prove that they are the best person for the job which, in most cases, would be difficult.
The fact that someone themselves went to private school does not mean that they cannot see the problem that too many people like themselves in a field can cause.

Anniebach Sat 25-Aug-18 13:57:51

There isn’t much nepotism in politics Jaycee

trisher Sat 25-Aug-18 14:21:02

This is so interesting. I never knew half the family connections- the Callaghans and the Jays for example. Do look en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_families_in_the_United_Kingdom

janeainsworth Sat 25-Aug-18 14:24:44

Perhaps one problem of repeated assertions and claims that public-school educated, Oxbridge graduates get the best jobs in politics and journalism is that state school pupils then start to believe they will be discriminated against and their self-belief is diminished.
They then don’t bother applying, or if they do, appear less confident at interview and don’t get the job.
So the situation is perpetuated.

Anniebach Sat 25-Aug-18 14:25:15

No different to generations of farmers and coal miners trisha

trisher Sat 25-Aug-18 14:29:23

Except no farmer or miner ever changed a law or told others how to live.

Jalima1108 Sat 25-Aug-18 14:36:51

I have to admit to being To the Manor Born
sluttygran - I'm practising my curtsey

I think I posted on another thread that I was told it's not what you know, it's who you know - that is small town 'politics' too.

Neil Oliver attended Dumfries Academy
The Academy operated as a grammar school for those in Dumfries deemed academically gifted as based on exam results until July 1983. The most gifted students from three surrounding secondary schools transferred to the Academy after second year. As a result, Dumfries Academy had the highest rate of university entrance of any state school for many years

It produced many other famous alumni.

Anniebach Sat 25-Aug-18 14:37:15

Quite probably so janeainsworth. Such a pity this class thing and oxbridge has been dragged up again.

Gordon Brown didn’t let ‘class’ bother him, not from a wealthy family, went to a Scottish university , same with Neil Kinnock, went to a Welsh university .

Attention is drawn to those who went to oxbridge

Jalima1108 Sat 25-Aug-18 14:41:12

I knew about the connections between the Callaghans, the Jays and the Bottomleys.

Virginia Bottomley is also a cousin of Tristram Hunt, the ex Labour MP I think.

Anniebach Sat 25-Aug-18 14:42:28

Trisher, you really do seem to have a chip on your shoulder . Has every one involved in law been to oxbridge ?

I think Corbyn is belittling the many who live in streets not mansions, go to university but not oxbridge

Anniebach Sat 25-Aug-18 14:53:37

Trisher, it is natural to mix in the circles you grow up in, and often marry within that circle ,

Jaycee5 Sat 25-Aug-18 14:58:03

Anniebach Are you joking when you say that there is not much nepotism in politics? I'm afraid I don't get the joke.
My own MP is Nick Hunt, third generation Tory Minister. Too lacking in talent to be anything other than a junior minister but always offered at least that because of his background.
It isn't just amongst MPs, although it is pretty bad there, staff, councillors, etc. all contain a good number of dynastic people. Of course there are reasons that people follow a family trade and people should not be excluded because of what their parent did, but there should not be shortcuts either.

Anniebach Sat 25-Aug-18 15:18:36

Yes Jaycee, but they are not the majority , 650 MP’s are not descendants of politicians

M0nica Sat 25-Aug-18 16:10:21

I thought companies, including BBC had been stripping peoples, names, dates of birth, genders and places of education out of their cvs before they were assessed as to whether they were suitable for a job and would be called into interview.

Surely this is the way forward, not positive discrimination, not negative discrimination, but people judged on their cv alone.

Anniebach Sat 25-Aug-18 16:39:59

If I could be bothered I would look up the beeb presenters and correspondents to see if they all went to oxbridge , waste of time, not all did. Corbyn is playing the ‘class’ card.

trisher Sat 25-Aug-18 17:03:00

Jalima more up to date info on Dumfries The Academy has been a six-year comprehensive school since July 1985 serving part of the Burgh of Dumfries and surrounding rural communities, with an average roll of over 600 pupils and around 50 teaching staff. Students are placed into one of three houses in their first year; Barrie, Haining and Laurie
So yes its Alumni are great and a real example of the best of the comprehensive system..

Annie no chip I simply like to see an even playing field.