Call off the dogs Corbyn

Exactly niggly, relying On party members vote at a general election is madness,

niggly who is "initiated"? Are you saying there is some sort of organised campaign going on here? Actually my posts and I imagine many others are the result of thinking and caring.
As for the accusation of too much money for Union bosses their pay is below that of most company directors, only slightly higher than some head teachers and nothing like the salaries of top bankers.
Who has ever said that Labour were solely the party of the working class? Read The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists, remember Alf Garnett. There has always been a group of caring people from all levels of society who wanted to see a more equal society. Just as there have always been people who having acheived a comfortable lifestyle feel they have no obligation to help others.

Perhaps if I spell it out for you Day6 .....it does not matter if the present Labour leadership is tending more to the left that you think acceptable, so long as there is tolerated a range of opinions and diversity.

I see you take every statement at face value, even when it is a bit tongue in cheek. I’ll remember to be less obscure when posting in future.

I would mention humour bypasses but someone would doubtless take that the wrong way too!

Tony Blair is a liar and responsible for half a million deaths in Iraq - some of whom were children and babies. He is now an advisor to JP Morgan - one of the largest investment banks. I don't think he has our interests at heart at all!

Good point trisher but please forgive me if I don’t add a kiss!

Tony Blair is not a party leader, he is a party member

He was Party leader at the time if the Iraqi war Annie .

Ok, knowledgeable then! Does that word suit you better?!!
Why is it, that people on the far left are so defensive and aggressive?! Not exactly a vote catcher!!

Aggression is very much in use now in the Corbyn/ Momentum Party niggle

Anniebach, I accept you strongly dislike Corbyn and you are as entitled to that view as are those of us who hold the view that he is a more honest representative of Labour values than we’ve had for a long time.
However, please don’t paint the Blair years as so innocent. From 2004 -
“Labour's high command is planning "show trials" for its most disloyal MPs which could lead to their deselection before the next election unless they pledge loyalty to Tony Blair.
The extraordinary attempt to stamp discipline on the mutinous Westminster party is being championed by Hilary Armstrong, the Chief Whip.
She wants at least six of the most persistent rebels to be dropped as candidates by the ruling National Executive Committee unless they agree to mend their ways.
A Labour minister said last night that Miss Armstrong was ready to order a list of habitual rebels to appear before the NEC in the summer as part of a crackdown on "serial disloyalty".

bmacca, you obviouly missed my post when i said there has never been a perfect government

the thing is.... the present LP does not encourage diversity and tolerance! Far from it, which has led the Party to where it stands now, accused of antisemitism and having any moderate disagreeing voice silenced.

bmacca and any others, annie is not a lone voice, either on GN or the wider world that 'strongly dislike Corbyn' it must run to millions.

I think the anti-semitism arguement is lost lemon . Labour accepted the definition a long time ago.

A long time ago?!

Rosie Duffield who won the seat of Canterbury from the Tories last year spoke at the recent Jewish Labour Conference, her local party planned to move a vote of no confidence, it was quickly withdraw. .

Corbyn has refused to personally motions of no confidence now popping up across the country !

So he demands loyalty from MP’s but doesn’t t return loyalty to MP’s. A man of honour !

A vote of no confidence is a way of the local Party telling their MP that they consider that they no longer represent that Party's policies adequately. The local Party selected them, canvassed for them, raised and channelled funds, and helped them win their election.

The local Party needs its representative to be just that - representative of the Party. Otherwise the candidate is perfectly free to stand as an independent. Policies develop and change and sometimes the local Party will need a different representative. An automatic process of reselection from a group of applicants ensures they will get the representative they will want to work for.

In a General Election the country votes on which candidates and policies (hopefully mostly on the latter) they prefer. Sometimes the setting MP loses.The nature of politics at present is such that nobody who enters Parliament should expect gratitude or a job for life. It is more of a duty and conviction.

I do know how local parties work. Strange why the local,party quickly withdrew their vote of no confidence , her speaking at the Jewish .labour conference which caused this suggests anti semetism does it not. She was only elected last year.

Well said grannypaulin And why should the leader of the party be allowed to interfere in a local party decision? The days of absolute control by TB and the unelected AC are over. An MP. who is answerable to the party members who provide his/her support is much more democratic.

Trisher, rubbish, you latest accusations about no free speech during the Blair government is not true, you must have had no interest in politics at that time. If you were do tell how many MP’s were de selected during that time

No one was deselected Annie because local party members simply accepted what they were landed with. In Parliament Alistair Campbell ruled MPs with a mixture of swearing, intimidation and threats. He has admitted this. So which is best a party where the ordinary members control the MP or one where an unelected official does it?

So voters were stupid then trisher, didn’t know they could place a vote of no confidence ?

Is Jon Lansman elected ? He certaintly controls MP’s

Did no one speak out ?

Can’t even say ‘good try’ trisher

Just show how naive I am. There was me thinking MPs were there to represent their constituents.
Instead:
When in that House M.P.'s divide,
If they’ve a brain and cerebellum, too,
They’ve got to leave that brain outside,
And vote just as their leaders tell 'em to.

MPs do represent their constituents. But most do so via a Party platform. Actually that might be a bit naive on my part as in the past some have just followed their own, or some other, agenda!

Day to day they deal with constituent matters but in the bigger national and international matters only a united Party with several hundred voters all agreeing which way they're going can influence the outcome. Thus the Party platforms.

Of course, sometimes there is a free vote in Parliament where the issue is a moral/religious one.

As I said, people who do not want to side with others in a Party (to all vote together to achieve a particular policy) can stand as independents.

Corbyn didn’t stand as an independent , he voted against the whip 428 times