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Call off the dogs Corbyn

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Anniebach Sat 08-Sept-18 08:37:42

At last a Labour MP has spoken out . Chuka Umunna

news.sky.com/story/chuka-umunna-tells-corbyn-to-call-off-the-dogs-and-end-purge-11492924

Jalima1108 Mon 17-Sept-18 15:31:15

No one has ever answered any political question I have posted
I think we have over the years, if not on this particular thread.

nigglynellie Mon 17-Sept-18 15:55:09

Referring to turds in an appropriate context is fine. Using the word as an insult is not - simple as that!

Anniebach Mon 17-Sept-18 16:04:23

Not forgetting claiming certain people are despised in the Labour Party. What knowledge to speak for the entire party.

Iam64 Mon 17-Sept-18 16:07:45

Pearl clutching - not being wimin enough to see ourselves as equal to men. What nonsense.

MaizieD Mon 17-Sept-18 16:07:57

I think we have over the years, if not on this particular thread.

It wouldn't hurt to repeat it. Particularly for people who haven't been on the forum for 'years'.

I don't understand why everyone is so coy about this...

Anniebach Mon 17-Sept-18 16:14:03

seems to be equal to men we have to accept lavatorial language . So if a man winks at a woman and says ‘great tits’ this too is equality of the sexes

GrannyGravy13 Mon 17-Sept-18 16:20:00

I do think that the utility companies should not have been privatised.

As for the railways, they are no worse or better since privatisation. I am not a great fan of HS2, I think the money would be better spent improving the current infrastructure.

The NHS is still free at point of use for all, even people who are health tourists, who come to the UK knowing full well that they will not be turned away. Having worked in the NHS there is at least one and probably two layers of management that could be done away with, which in turn would free up money for medical staff.

As for benefits. If the long term cannot be bothered to work as nobody in my family has done for years brigade, were taken to task, there would be more money available for those truly in need.

In our area every new development, wether it be flats or houses has to have a proportion of affordable units for rent.

Private rentals, I am sorry but market forces come into play here. If you cap the rents, landlords (some of which may only have one property as an investment, as there is no way of getting a return on your money elsewhere) will just stop investing, which will lead to less units up for rent.

The majority of students will never pay off their loans. Maybe a rethink of the "I must go,to,university to a degree in David Beckham Studies" (yes there is such a course), is needed. More apprenticeships, as speaking from experience University does not always prepare you for the big wide working world.

Cannot comment on Academies, as I do not have enough knowledge of them.

trisher where is the money going to come from for your plans. If it is to put the taxes up of the squeezed middle, that is definitely a vote loser.
I think I have read that there are more low paid people being taken out of paying tax than ever before.
If the likes of google and amazon were enforced to pay more tax, don't you think they would just pack up and go, making an awful lot of people jobless. I know they are low paid jobs, but at least they are in work.

I know a lot of people will not agree with me, but you did ask for people's opinions.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 17-Sept-18 16:21:16

Anniebach if a man winks at me and says great tits, he might get a black eye!!!

Anniebach Mon 17-Sept-18 16:25:43

Exactly GrannyGravy, so why should women accept being called a turd by a man and when they express disgust the man is defended by another woman . Sisterhood? Rubbish

GrannyGravy13 Mon 17-Sept-18 16:32:53

I think some women get equality wrong ab, we should not have to lower our behaviour to be like a certain type of man. I do not know any men who would use bad language directed at women, including an awful lot of builders and tradesmen.

Anniebach Mon 17-Sept-18 16:46:34

GrannyGravy I have worked with my brothers building firm for over 25 years, use to go out onto the sites, never did one man ever use that gutter language in front of me. Nothing to do with equality of the sexes, quite simply - respect .

GrannyGravy13 Mon 17-Sept-18 16:54:48

Anniebach- agree with you.

If everyone treated others with respect the world would be a much nicer place.

nigglynellie Mon 17-Sept-18 17:00:13

Excellent, realistic post GrannyGravy: Alas, the days when anyone would cat call after me are long gone!! But I take your point! Actually at the risk of being unpopular, wolf whistling never bothered me! I always thought of it as a harmless compliment from a cheeky young chap which perhaps to my shame, earned them a smile and a wave!! There is I think a difference perhaps between a cheeky whistle and an offensive cat call which is deeply unpleasant.

Grandad1943 Mon 17-Sept-18 17:06:05

As a business person, I would like to add to trishers above list, a compleat end to the gig economy, restrictions on zero-hours employment contracts, especially where that contract restricts the employee from working for other employers.

I would also wish to see amendments to the current Trade Union legislation in regard to unions having inform an employer who will be involved in any industrial action two weeks before that action takes place.

The above I feel would benefit employers who wish to offer good terms and conditions to their employees and in that stop the race to the bottom, therefore benefiting the UK economy

Now, forum members are invited to state what they find left wing in the above.

Anniebach Mon 17-Sept-18 17:06:11

Well being 5’7” size 8 and aging, there is nothing about me that would merit a wolf whistle ?, but I have had me moments !

MaizieD Mon 17-Sept-18 17:38:24

GrannyGravy asks: trisher where is the money going to come from for your plans. If it is to put the taxes up of the squeezed middle, that is definitely a vote loser.

The 'national economy is like a household economy' idea that so many people have is just not true. Economists will tell you that. The country can create as much money as it likes to fund whatever it likes. There is no limit to how much a government can issue; it's not 'backed' by anything (we came off the gold standard nearly 50 years ago). There's also no particular reason why it should borrow money.

Obviously a government can't create money ad lib, we'd just get inflation. Taxation is really a form of inflation control; it prevents too much money being kept in the economy and making prices rise.

Which means that the government has to spend before it can tax; if it didn't spend there wouldn't be any money to tax. (Which is why cutting spending has had such an appalling effect on the 'real' economy. Isn't it now 4.5 million people living in poverty in the UK?)

Obviously it's much more complex than this but that is the basic mechanism of money circulation in the economy.

MaizieD Mon 17-Sept-18 17:45:50

I'd like to add to trisher's list that I would like to see:

An end to people paying for access to politicians (particularly when in government positions) in order to influence them. This is unfair to people who don't have money and makes a mockery of a democracy in which all citizens are supposed to have an equal right to representation. It feels really corrupt to me.

An insistence that all children are taught basic economic facts about the national economy, and, how our constitution works.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 17-Sept-18 17:48:58

Where do interest rates come into the equation MaizieD?

Grandad1943 Mon 17-Sept-18 18:05:26

An excellent appraisal MaizieD in your above post @ 17:38 today. Governments have printed and pumped five hundred and fifty billion into the UK economy to elevate the effects of the 2008 banking crisis.

The above has been carried out under the title of quantitative Easing" and has indeed saved the banks and overall finance industry.

That stated, what I have never been able to "square" with the above is the fact that we now have the wonderful National Health Service desperately underfunded. However, it seems no " Quantitative Easing" can be carried out to ease the plight of our great health service?

lemongrove Mon 17-Sept-18 20:36:53

Maizie teachers wouldn’t thank you for adding that requirement to the curriculum ( your last sentence.)

Good post GrannyGravy ?? 16.20.00

Am sure that Saint Jeremy would be flinging the money around if he ever gets into power, borrowing it, printing it and generally mismanaging it.

MaizieD Mon 17-Sept-18 20:47:02

Where do interest rates come into the equation MaizieD?

Interest rates are used (in the 'everyday' economy) to control inflation and deflation. If they're high they encourage saving (taking money out of the economy), low, they encourage spending (putting money into the economy).

Of course, for speculators in the financial markets they have other uses but for us ordinary souls that's their main effects.

Of course, low rates encourage borrowing and that seems to be something of a problem now. There's so much personal debt in the economy that an interest rate rise would ruin a great many people. But inflation is rising - how is that to be controlled?

One of the main causes of the 2008 financial crash was too much borrowing and the resultant selling on of 'packages' of bad debts...

MaizieD Mon 17-Sept-18 20:49:42

Maizie teachers wouldn’t thank you for adding that requirement to the curriculum ( your last sentence.)

Maybe they wouldn't, lemon, but responsible participating voting citizens should have some idea of how the economy and the government works. They aren't going to learn from anywhere else.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 17-Sept-18 21:13:19

Surely it is not in the country's best interest to spend, spend spend MaizieD.

I appreciate that quantative easing was used for the banking crisis, it it is not a panacea for all. It is just not logical to do so.

As for Grandad wanting to see the end of "gig economy" and zero hours contracts, as has been stated previously on this thread, some people like this way of working it gives them flexibility.

Low interests rates have contributed to the rise in house prices, and has also put many elderly folk who rely on interest on their savings for their every day needs in difficulty.

I bought my first house with an interest rate of 18percent, that seems unbelievable to any one under 35.

We live in an age of "we want it and we want it now" Which unfortunately I hear similar "wants" from the left of our politicians.

MawBroon Mon 17-Sept-18 21:16:54

An excellent appraisal MaizieD in your above post @ 17:38 today. Governments have printed and pumped five hundred and fifty billion into the UK economy to elevate the effects of the 2008 banking crisis

To elevate the effects of the crisis?
Surely they were bad enough?
confused.

lemongrove Mon 17-Sept-18 21:20:25

I agree * GrannyG* unlimited money wanted for the NHS schools, etc etc.which already do get huge amounts.
They may well need more, but how long is a piece of string?
Taxes will have to go up, and then there will be moans all round.
The government doesn’t have any money, it’s all our
Money, which people seem to forget, and managing that money is no easy task if you want to avoid inflation.