The Last Days of Mrs May?

Or rather Maw Tusk’s advisors did, and in fact, they may well have got it from someone else.

It's a pity we can't go back to the original format that we joined all those years,ago, i.e.:- A trading block with free movement of people. We all signed up to that with such enthusiasm (and would again) without any idea of what the actual end game was, a Federal block run by Brussels!! We were lied to then, in those far off days when we naively believed our politicians were truthful, well over that sort of thing anyway! and curiously, pretty well kept in the dark from that day on, again trusting that our politicians were not sneaking in deals we might not be too keen on, round the back door. They were, we've rumbled it and we are saying No thank you!

Good post varian (12.33, was interrupted).
Also agree that the ‘treating with respect’ mantra is childish - not worthy of any PM.
What do the supporters of the eventual WTO option think will be the prospects of those on low incomes in the meantime? We do not see this being covered by Brexiteers but denial cuts no ice any longer.

Or rather Maw, Tusk’s advisors did, and in fact, they may well have got it from someone else

Like Grandad?

MawBroon, Quote [Or rather Maw, Tusk’s advisors did, and in fact, they may well have got it from someone else, Like Grandad?]End Quote

Yes I did. Repeated it because I thought it was a great line, especially in the rather fraught circumstances.

On buying my newspaper this morning I noticed some VERY favourable headlines regarding the PM, who has more or less told the EU to respect Britain if they hope to get a deal. The worm has turned methinks and it's a long overdue stance.

She is fighting for our place at the table and if the EU continue to treat us with derision and as outcasts with a begging bowl, to remain completely intransigent, then we can and will walk away. Her menacing tone was quite fitting. Even die-hard remainers are wondering why we'd pay Brussels billions every year to remain if all we will get are demands, instructions, rules and crumbs from the EU table, IF we play nicely/concede. Our bargaining power is non-existent.

Given May's stance, I rather liked the Sun's headline today - "UP EURS!" Very fitting.

Ow I am confused Grandad
Are you saying you used the line before Tusk’s Instagram post?

Oh, have just checked the Express today.

May's Finest Hour is that headline. That might not be the reaction of Remainers (or left wingers) who'd like us to concede, back down, collapse, etc, AND of course pay Brussels BILLIONS every year for very few if any concessions..

So, the Daily Express & Mail spout again.

Day6 Our bargaining power is non-existent.
Exactly so why the hell is she warning the rest of the EU that they must treat us with respect? They don't have to do anything. They can watch us walk away and continue as they are. Of course there are those (particularly around Mrs May and responsible for her being PM) who will make money from the serious financial crash a No Deal would result in. The poorest will suffer but the richest will come out of it worth even more. So yes there are those for whom it is May's Finest Hour. It's just the absolute pits for the rest of us.
The phrase "When you're in a hole stop digging" applies I think.

Yes Day6 very fitting I agree "UP EURS" to the EU not you, although I like to say that to a few on here ?

What those "trash" newspapers fail to inform their readers of, would be that even if Britain walks away with no leave agreement the UK will still have to pay the EU many billions.

Much of the Forty billion that the UK has agreed to pay on leaving is for projects that Britain has already signed up to such as European space projects etc. There are also pension agreements and much else that the UK is legally obliged to pay.

Of course, the extreme right-wing leave leaders and their newspaper cohorts are stating that Britain would not have to pay the forty billion in the case of a no deal withdraw.

However, the truth is that a very large percentage of those multi-billions would still be owed, and all the EU would have to do is drag Britain through the international courts to win the legal right to those billions.

The UK would then have to face paying all the costs and would also incur huge damage to its political and commercial reputation at a time when it would be attempting to sign up new trade deals with countries outside the European Union

So John McDonnell has just said on tonight’s news that he wants another General Election (in the words of Brenda from Bristol “Not another one!”) but fails to say what Labour Party policies would be. Is he just waiting in the hope that we the electorate will simply vote for whatever the other side are not proposing?
JC has not committed to Leave or Remain up to now. Why should we trust a blank cheque?

So TM has coined yet another meaningless mantra..."the EU should treat us with respect". She sounds like a dotty old person demanding rights according to his/her great age? What has she done to engender respect? Pratted about doing SFA for two years? Coined daft phrases like "Strong and Stable"? Lost the Tories' majority by calling a pointless election? Sold herself down to river to the DUP to achieve so called power? Denied the part she played in the Windrush scandal? Ignored the Grenfell Tower victims?
She dances a toe-curlingly embarrassing jig whilst the UK economy goes down the tubes. She's a joke.

Corbyn is sitting on the fence, he wants the keys to No 10, so for him it’s see which way the wind blows and he will go where he thinks he will get more votes.

I think TM came across at her best ever in her “respect” speech!
Tusk’s Instagram jibe was petty, trivial and childish and the body language of the other leaders at the Salzburg summit spoke volumes- none of it respectful.
She may have been a walking car crash up to now, but yesterday’s speech showed a woman with dignity and dare I say, balls.

MawBroon ????

Up EURS - must be the offspring of the Eurosceptic 'Up yours Delors' of the early '90s....

"The U.K. Would not pay the 40bn if we left without a deal"

Oh I rather think we would because if we didn't honour our obligations negotiations would be very difficult, it would simply be added to the tariffs levied, we simply can't afford not to.
At the end of the day agreement would be made to pay it over 10 yrs so in EU terms it isn't any great problem and by then the Brexiteers say we will be in clover anyway. If we do leave the last thing we need is for negotiations to be held in a hostile atmosphere, good faith must be maintained.

Get the idea of equal negotiations right out of your mind, they are 27 we are 1. Although we represent maybe 15% of the EU economy ( someone will correct me I'm sure) that is 6 to 1 we do not have any strong position we are deal takers not deal makers.

They really dont want to loose the UK but better to let us go than compromise the core values. It's exactly the same situation faced by families and businesses, if someone is rocking the boat let them go and do their own thing. Some make a great success of separation most don't.

Oh dear Grandad. So predictable. I appreciate that you lap up Guardian, and pro Labour articles in other rags with a left wing bias, but please do try to be a bit more original in your slurs. If the best you can up with is a mention of the DM, then please realise it's a very old hackneyed remark lacking in originality and bite. It's a very predictable rejoinder. A bit like your views perhaps?

Lots and lots of people (millions I dare say) read the 'trash' newspapers you so deplore.

People are entitled to hold views which differ from yours. You deplore them because they are not left wing. In your book if you are not left wing you are right wing and 'bad'. Time to wake up and appreciate that many, many fair, bright and pleasant people of all political persuasions do not relish the idea of living with Corbyn's socialism or a Brussels stranglehold. It seems hard for you to grasp. If throwing in self-righteous and disparaging remarks regarding the Daily Mail (which no one mentioned but you) is your predictable riposte against those who don't share your views, fair enough, but we could start playing Gransnet Bingo with it.

They really dont want to loose the UK but better to let us go than compromise the core values.

We have rejected the EU's 'core values' and 'four freedoms' Diana54 The member states can cling to them all they like - although you must be aware there is lots of disquiet in many member states regarding EU membership? The core values (and BILLIONS we have to pay in membership to have to live by them) do not appeal to the UK, hence Brexit.

It's exactly the same situation faced by families and businesses, if someone is rocking the boat let them go and do their own thing. Some make a great success of separation most don't.

What a strange generalisation.

For most, breaking away from a bad relationship (work or personal) is a positive step and I'd say the majority are better for it and have no regrets.

Remainers have been prophets of doom from the outset. Perhaps they'd rather cling like limpets to the wreckage? A marriage at any cost?

How can you as Brits be against political cartoons. We have wonderful cartoons about Brexit here in Germany and France and as to cherries - picking out the cherries is saying in European speech. It means what it says that a child faced with a pudding with cherries in it picks the cherries out. As Britian is not famous for cherries like we on the continent are it has no meaning.
It was a joke!!
By the way Greece is now on the way to recovery. And Mr Tusk is used to a more down to earth woman politician in Fr Merkel. She would never go to a microphone and moan about not being treated with respect.After all she is going to cost us all millions before she is finished.

How can you as Brits be against political cartoons.
Well, some (most?) of us love them.
DH always points them out to me and we have some brilliant cartoonists in this country.

And we mustn't forget Spitting Image.
And our wonderful impressionists.

Thank goodness we live in a country which can enjoy these things.

specki4eyes TM is not asking for the EU to treat her with respect, (although they should, of course treat her position as PM of the UK with respect) but the UK as whole and to respect the decision of the referendum, even if some of us did not agree with it.

If half her cabinet members told her it wouldn’t work, I assume the other half said it would work.


cup half full or cup half empty scenario?