The Last Days of Mrs May?

"Remainers have been prophets of doom from the outset. Perhaps they'd rather cling like limpets to the wreckage? A marriage at any cost?"

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Leavers have been telling all sorts of half truths about the future out of the EU, Canada plus plus plus, much vaunted but never attainable, Brexiteers wanted out at any price so that they can make a great deal on money in the ensuing chaos and probably are already.
Voters swallowed it hook line and sinker.

Marriage breakups, there is always a looser, often both loose a great deal and I will come back with lots of examples if that is disputed, the only winners are the lawyers.

No deal will mean a border in Ireland against the Good Friday agreement and I predict the Unionists will change sides rather than have a border

"We" have not rejected the four freedoms, the Tory party extremeists have conned the country, it was all going to be so easy. Remember Cameron wanted remain and he had by far the majority of the party with him.

Day6 You really do need to make your mind up, not all Guardian readers are 'lefties' and not all remainers are lefties either, whatever that means. I certainly would not count John Major, Nicholas Soames, Kenneth Clark or Anna Soubray as such, what a silly comment. I occasionally wonder how we have got to such a mess in this country, and then when I read ill-informed comments made on the basis of rubbish and lies printed by papers like the Daily Express I understand how it happened. I have no objection to considered debate, but people basing their votes on this publication makes me despair.

It was a great pity that Day6 placed so much effort in his above post with a personal attack on me, when he could have addressed the real points I put forward in my post @ 16:39 yesterday.

Incidentally Day6, I like many millions these days I do not read any newspapers. I get all my news information from ether Sky News, BBC News or Google News links, all via my Phone.

If one doesn’t read newspapers how can one declare with confidence the newspapers are right wing ?

You really need to ask that AB?

Anyway one does read the newspapers (The Times and the Guardian) and one also gets one’s news from other sources.

So this one is declaring the DM, The Express and The Sun to be enthusistically Right Wing. I doubt the DM has shifted its political stance since its support of Hitler.

Oh come on annie.......just look at the ownership of the big papers, The Times ( News Corp), The Telegraph (the notriously weird, tax dodging Barclay brothers), The Daily Mail (Rothermere family), Daily Express ( was 'dirty Desmond, purveyor of porn, now owned by Trinity Mirror Group who also own those other upstanding family publications The Star and Star on Sunday). The Guardian and The Mirror are minnows compared to these. When I do read a newspaper, I like the format, layout and attempted non-political stance of the I, but I get most of my best information from Private Eye.
I still stand by my comments that I will not take any political lectures from anyone who gets their indoctrination information from The Daily Express.

Oh forgot about The Sun, then again we were discussing newspapers, not comics

We mostly get our news from various radio stations. And some internet sites. But we're well aware that it's impossible to get a comprehensive and balanced view of what's going on. No one source can possibly report everything that has been said or done, so all are selective. And show their bias in the selection.
I like Private Eye too, Gill. Must remember to get a copy from somewhere, our Tesco doesn't sell it.

I remember the Express had an "anti-common-market" campaign in the 1960s and they have never let up their poisonous propaganda since then.

They now pay huge sums to Google so that if you google "brexit" the Express features at or near the top of the list., eg this riubbish-

www.express.co.uk/latest/brexit

But GILL , I did say those who didn’t read newspapers. I do read Private Eye .

The Daily Mail has the highest sales, Mirror second

varian, I just googled brexit, the first newspaper was The Guardian,

The DM has high sales because it successfully feeds its readers with news about soaps, celebs, sex scandals, notorious crimes, pop stars, fashion, royalty, sport and any kind of sensational trivia and gives them plenty opportunity to gamble.

While they are lured in by this trash, the readers are brainwashed into thinking in the way the billionaire proprietor decrees - right wing, racist, nationalistic, anti- EU, lowest-common-denominator mindless knee jerk attitudes.

That is why we are in this mess.

Wow varian......well put.

Annie, Google news is a completely separate website from the Google Chrome web browser.

With the web browser you just type in the subject you or trade you wish to get information of and the various websites are are then laid out in the return.

With Google news it is a news site in itself. All the news items are laid out in brief with links to the media/news centres that the full story can be accessed. That can be such titles as The Times, The Guardian, The Independent or online news websites.

So what do you suggest varian? bearing in mind these uneducated, almost illiterate racist homophobic, apologies for human beings have the vote and are out there in their millions?! Maybe we should have an educational standard below which people aren't considered eligible to vote, rather like 100 or so years ago. Would this be the answer?

I'm reading that the DM has changed its stance towards Brexit a bit under its new editor. When he edited the Mail on Sunday the paper was pro Remain. It'll be interesting to see if he modifies the views of the DM readers or just loses sales.

It could make for an interesting study in whether the DM directs, or follows, the views of its readership.

Maybe we should have an educational standard below which people aren't considered eligible to vote, rather like 100 or so years ago.

Eligibility to vote has never been by level of education. It was by the amount of property one held and what sex one was.

What we need is a required level of honesty in campaigning. Then at least the 'easily led' are led by the truth rather than lies and spurious appeals to emotions. It might also lead to politicians being more trusted by voters...

Nigglynellie ?
Or perhaps its the pompous Guardian readers who are so far up their own bums they can't see the wood for the trees.

There's a thought nicenanny3!! I think owning property years ago did actually indicate an educational standard, poor uneducated people by and large didn't and therefore couldn't vote and air their prejudicial reprehensible views!! Perhaps we could/should ban these ghastly rags and only allow the reading of a 'quality' newspaper? Got to be an answer somewhere to educate the masses in the correct way!!!???

Particularly the easily led!!!

Yssgdrasil I suppose Labour will put all this right! Like they did last time. Some people have very short memories or choose to ignore why there was need for so called austerity

Rather arrogant to suggest readers of the Daily Mail are brainwashed . Thinking of links we use to have from vox pox and Mid Wales Mike !

Nigglynellie, do you really think that owning property years ago meant intelligence? That there were no intelligent people among the working classes? Property was handed down and married into by a moneyed elite, not earned by brainpower.

I always laugh at the comments on here by very left wing posters who wouldn’t know a working class person if one fell on their head from a great height.
They enjoy talking about them, but in reality would dislike them and dismiss them as ‘easily led’ ‘racist’ and uneducated.