Nasty Young Tories

Gosh, I've got a fuzzy feeling in my head Grandad; that's 2 posts in one day that I agree 100% with you on! swoons to the floor in a dead faint

Was anyone there? What was the reaction of older Conservatives to those t-shirts?

Were the boys told to remove them as inappropriate? Or were they praised or given a wink and a nod of approval, a pat on the back - because many Conservatives are very keen to privatise the NHS, as we well know.

I like that one Chewbacca us oldies agreeing for once; we must be going soft

However, I often wonder, how many of our generation would wish to be starting out again in today's environment? My feeling is that our generation seen "best of it" or at least for my wife and me that is how it turned out.

Agree again Grandad this is getting worrying now. Don't know how how you are but my hey days were the late 1960s - 1970s and I can't imagine any young woman today having the freedom that we seemed to have back then. As you say, any mistakes we made might have made it to that weeks local rag but then be consigned to chip wrapping by weekend. Today's youth's mistakes are out there for perpetuity; just waiting for someone to dig it up. Sad isn't it?

How how you are?? How old you are!

I didn’t know many conservatives wanted the NHS privatised, how do you have the knowledge to post this as fact Jura ?

I left school in 1960 with no qualifications and barely able to write. However, with more jobs around than there were people to fill them I eventually after trying many occupations found my forte in the road haulage industry.

In that industry, at that time it was very much how you performed that brought advancement, and very few were brought into management by way of outside academic achievement.

The above workplace environment brought me into industrial safety, higher management and then on to opening our own company in that field along with my wife.

The above most definitely could not be carried out today in the way i/we managed to achieve it. Management In industrial safety is only achieved by high educational achievement which I feel is not the way it should be, and is a very sad situation for what can be a very hands-on industry.

The above is the same situation in many industries it would seem, and that is why I feel that our generation very much "seen the best of it."

Oh my goodness Annie,

'I didn’t know many conservatives wanted the NHS privatised, how do you have the knowledge to post this as fact Jura ?'

where have you been? Do you never listen to Mrs May or Mr Hunt, read the papers or reports (like the Nailor report) ?

Did you mean the Naylor Report Jura?

www.gov.uk/government/publications/naylor-review-government-response

Doesn’t mean that many conservatives necessarily want the privatisation of the NHS

Yes, the Naylor report is just the very thin end of the wedge - there is tons of evidence that a substantial number of Conservatives, including some at the very top, want the privatisation of at least parts of the NHS, you know the lucrative ones ... and create a two tier system.

We might not agree on many things, but denying that this is the case is just plain naïve and, well, not very well informed.

because many Conservatives are very keen to privatise the NHS, as we well know

The wording is changing slightly.
You should beware of sweeping generalisations if you mean some (albeit senior) Conservatives and privatisation of parts of the NHS, then say so.
Dentistry has been all but privatised for years

Some at the top !

Pointless replying

jura you make so many irrelevant points, and silly accusations, that it's pointless trying to debate anything with you. It's taken goodness knows how many posts just to get across the point that all young people make silly and ill informed choices that they come to regret, irrespective of their political leanings. Now that you've finally accepted that, I can't really be bothered to debate further with you. You've exhausted bored me enough for one day.

As have opticians maw.

When the NHS was brought into being, times were very different. Today we expect so much from the NHS there is an expectation that it can cure all ills, unfortunately it cannot.

Medicine/surgery has moved on in leaps and bounds and to fund this from taxes only is not possible.

A forward looking government wether it be Labour or conservative will have to look for funding other than taxes.

The pharmaceutical corporations have monopolies on drugs and profits from those drugs for many years to pay for all the trials.

Every time we isolate an illness we look for a cure which in turn puts pressure on the NHS, this cannot go on indefinitely.

I worked in the NHS as a "temp" I got payed twice as much as the person next to me, in hindsight that was wrong. It was not my fault, I had a mortgage to pay, it was the fault of middle management, who do little ore than line their own pockets.

Excellent post Grannygravy13, summed up succinctly and to the point.

'many' does not mean 'all' and therefore is not a sweeping generalisation, is it?

Yes, many want to sell the lucrative bits, and let the tax payer take care of the rest. Slowly, but surely. If you think that is irrelevant, than, what can I say?

I agree with many of your points GrannyGravy - who will pay for your expensive modern care, and that of your family and friends?

Jura2 we take out insurance for many things, our boilers breaking down, our smart phones, our drains (which technically aren't our drains) Isn't it the duty of those who can pay - to pay!

True GrannyGravy, the advancement in treatments now since the forties

I have always wondered how it can be that five hundred and fifty billion was found to bale out the bankers but no-one or two extra billion can be found to save the NHS.

We are still paying as a nation that five hundred and fifty billion which no one was ever brought to justice for.

We are still paying as a nation for the NHS for which even surgical body parts cannot be incinerated for lack of money to build those incinerators.

How can the above be justified?

Grandad would you rather all the grannies and grandads had lost their life savings?

Gordon Brown????

GrannyGravy13- and yes, it is the system here where I live currently. Everyone has to have Health and accident insurance by Law- and there are many (all private) to choose from. It can cost from about £400 each per person, and an awful lot more, depending on the deductible you pick and any top up for private care. Depending on the deductible, you have to pay that amount first before insurance pays, then you pay 10% of your bills yourself too, up to about £600 per year. For a family, it amounts to a huge sum, and many people with tight budgets don't go, as hey don't have the money for the deductible and the 10%.

In the UK, you know that private insurance won't take you if you have severe illness, handicap or pre-exisiting conditions. The Swiss basic system cannot refuse you, even with the above - but they will refuse you for any top up above basic care.

As usual, Private Insurance is happy to make lots of money out of low risk- and leave all the expensive high risks to the State/tax payer.

PFIs, so beloved of both Tory and Labour governments, are costing the NHS dearly, money that could be used for staff salaries and more treatments.
No-one can say that the NHS is safe in either Labour or Tory hands as Labour's track record when in power for 13 years shows.
I believe it should not be used as a political game and should be run differently.

Grandad would you rather all the grannies and grandads had lost their life savings?

Everyone would have lost their 'life's savings', GG, and a great deal more. The whole money system would have collapsed if banks had had nothing to pay out. There is no knowing what state of looting, rioting and anarchy that would have led to.

Gordon Brown????

What is that supposed to mean?