Nasty Young Tories

Those of you who believe that many tories do want the NHS to be privatised might care to sign this petition:

weownit.org.uk/ICP-petition-NHS

Campaigners have been fighting against privatisation, and a lot of these contracts are being dropped or transferred to public bodies. It’s not victory yet, but we’re making an impact!

But now, the government wants to change the structure of the NHS so that all health and social care services in one area can be packaged up and contracted out to one big provider, like VirginCare, for up to 15 years at a time in something called an ‘ICP contract’.

We’d lose accountability, patient rights, and there’s a huge risk of mass privatisation.

Whatever your opinion is, plums or no plums- the fact is, Femi was totally right:

www.facebook.com/OFOCBrexit/videos/331599344066556/

Again, that's only your opinion jura

Jura The fact is Femi is totally right.

Chewbacca says that is only Jura’s opinion.

So tell us Chewbacca how you would interpret the legal facts which clearly state that Femi is correct. EU rules allow the Member countries to restrict migrants ability to claim benefits. The UK choose not to use that power.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36449974

ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=460&langId=en

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/31/britain-take-back-control-immigration-eu-directive-brexit?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

There is no argument there- he was right- clear as a bell. This is not up for discussion/no opinion - when the Law clearly says he is.

Chewbacca, 'your posts are becoming more and more childish and silly now. '

will leave it at that, perhaps.

Everything is up for discussion / no opinion on this forum unless it breaks the guidelines

because many Conservatives are very keen to privatise the NHS, as we well know

Complete bunkum Jura. Tony Blair, Labour, started privatisation of the NHS anyway..but that's by the by.

You must have missed the bit of Mrs May's speech where she informed us the NHS was getting almost £400 MILLION per WEEK these days..and that she had given the go ahead for cancer clinics throughout the UK, funded and equipped so cancers could be caught earlier.

She also mentioned how the NHS was very precious to all in the UK.

No institution embodies our principles as Conservatives more profoundly or more personally than our National Health Service. It gives every man, woman and child the absolute security of knowing that whenever you are sick, care will be there

What greater freedom than to live your life never having to worry about whether you can afford the treatment you need? What greater opportunity for a country to make the most of all its talents?

The NHS is a service that is there for everyone; free at the point of use; with care based always on clinical need, never the ability to pay. These principles are in our country's DNA

And Conservatives will always uphold them

Doesn't sound to me like she is ever likely to consider selling it off, but do continue to peddle that Labour myth. More and more Labour are relying on lies and scaremongering tactics to paint a picture of the UK on it's knees.

People are becoming aware of this.

Of course, foreign newspapers may be keen to portray Britain as on its knees, particularly those in the EU or associated with it closely, as it could suit an agenda.

Very good point Jalima! Of course it's in EU countries' interests to make us look in a bad way. Especially as a warning to other countries who might be less and less convinced of the value of remaining.
Before anyone starts shouting at me, I'm a remainder but who can see various sides to the problem- and it is a problem!

I don’t believe May would sell of the NHS. With Day6 on this.

She has been saying it since April, and refused to deny it when interviewed even yesterday !

Link please where May said she would sell off the NHS

Read Day6's post jura2

I am afraid Jane, Mrs May has been talking about selling parts (initially) of NHS for some time, and some of it has been done already. Even yesterday, when interviewed, she flatly refused to deny that selling the NHS, or parts of, was not on the cards.

And with great respect, and I mean that, you are not the only one who can see both sides, for sure. I don't know of a single Remainer who is not very aware of the shortcomings of the EU- but who have, on balance, realised that we are much better within, sharing the helm, and in the single market. Please!

Link please where May said she would sell off the NHS

Oh, come off it Annie. She wouldn't dare say it explicitly. But actions speak louder than words and the tories have been systematically privatising bits of the NHS over the past few years.

That's what the 'We Own It' petition is about. It's about collecting all NHS services in an area into one 'group' which can be then contracted out. And contrcted out to...... who? Branson? A US healthcare provider? An 'in house' group?

What do people think is the most likely?
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Link to evidence please Jura.
It is easy to say “she said, he said” but may we see a link please?

So May hasn’t said they will sell of the NHS Maizie, thank you. Big difference between - I think they will and they said we will.

People believe what they want to believe whether or not their belief is accurate. No point in trying to argue with them. I'm out.

So May hasn’t said they will sell of the NHS Maizie, thank you

But she hasn't said that she won't, Annie

You've been in politics for a long time. Surely you acknowledge that what's unsaid can be as significant as what's said?

Jane, you are so right:

'People believe what they want to believe whether or not their belief is accurate. No point in trying to argue with them.'

but the stakes are so massive, one has to keep trying.

Maize, can be is not will be.

Refusing to deny it tells that it is very much a possibility- and as said, lots of it has already been oursourced/sold.

She has refused to deny the NHS may well become a bargaining tool, and available as part of deals. Again and again, and since January 2017 at least.

Repeated, again and again. There is so much out there for anyone who wants to de a bit of research. I've picked this article, from The Mirror, so as not to be accused of being a 'Guardanista' - from 7th of February- just one... and there are so many since:

Theresa May has sparked a furious backlash after she refused to guarantee she'll protect the NHS from US business interests in a post- Brexit trade deal.

'Asked to make the pledge today, the Prime Minister said it was too early to tell what Washington negotiators would demand.

Instead she said Britain's priority was to "get the best possible deal" - leaving the health service ripe for exploitation.'

The link from 3 days ago was paywalled- so I could not copy it, or provide it. But it said about the same, eg - that there are NO guarantees the NHS won't be part of a deal or deals.

In the meantime, it has been announced that tax relief on pensions will we abolished to pay to keep NHS afloat- because yes, if you are going to sell a utility, be it NHS, or gas or water, or nuclear power, or whatever- you have to fund it to the last minute to be 'attractive'. Our kids will, again, pay for it- those very kids whose future pensions are already very poorly funded.

Well, she is young enough to qualify. Isabel Oakeshott- hope she gets here comeuppance for treason- because Treason it is:

Isabel Oakeshott, a former Sunday Times journalist who ghost-wrote Banks’ book, The Bad Boys of Brexit, was granted access to his emails in the summer of 2016 in order to help draft the diaries. The book mentions one meeting at the Russian embassy which has been the focus of great interest ever since, especially amid questions about where Banks’ sourced the multi-million pound funding of Brexit. He has denied the money came from Russia.

Oakeshott says she did not discover the stunning extent of Banks’ true dealings with Russia until last year. Even then, she decided not to publish saying she wanted to wait until the publication of her next book White Flag? in August. It is unclear whether the Electoral Commission’s investigations into Banks’ financing of the Brexit campaign would have been completed by August.

Oakeshott was keen to keep her treasure trove of Brexit/Russia revelations for her book launch, but she has not merely kept out of the debate about the legitimacy of the Brexit campaign. Describing herself as “a long-standing Brexit supporter,” who is close to Farage and Banks, Oakeshott has become a regular TV pundit shooting down “conspiracy theories” about the validity of the Brexit vote amid claims of Russian influence or reports about Cambridge Analytica’s disputed involvement.

Old enough to know better - greedy horrible woman.