No Deal and supply of medicines

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I respect others opinions.

Having said that in my opinion this thread is full of maybes, what ifs and numerous other speculations. The "experts" and journalists being quoted have not got actual facts they also are speculating on all things Brexit.

Unless anyone from gransnett has actually been party to the negotiations, until they are finalised nobody will know the outcome.

Perhaps asked Stanley Johnson for a soundbite because Nigel Farage’s Mum was at the hairdresser?
Quite right Elegran

Mr Johnson could of course have done the decent thing and politely declined to reply.

How offensive to mention the Irish shooting each other.

Read the words, old batty
If he was being interviewed and asked a question why should he not answer.
My link gives you it from the video so judge for yourself, don’t be influenced by jura’s or anybody else’s mis quotation.

But he WAS asked what Mrs T would have said. She would have answered very much as he said she would, though perhaps put it rather more elegantly.

That was to Oldbatty.

Was he also asked whether he agreed with her, and has there been as much publicity for what he answered? We could all guess at what Mrs T would have said, or Churchill, or Queen Victoria, or King Billy, or Walter Raleigh or Oliver Cromwell or even Julius Caesar ("Those British are always at war with each other, and they always will be even if we impose on them our pax Romana ") .

Posters don't like it on GN when they get battered for what they are assumed to have said because of what they report that someone else has said or would have said.

If you actually watch the whole interview, as poster yesterday as a link- he makes it very clear that he agrees with her, 100%. There was no need at all to use the 'if the Irish want to shoot each other' - he could have said that Mrs T would not have pandered to the situation, etc. What he said was totally wrong- as he put the words in Mrs T's mouth- and she would have never said that.

Posters don't like it on GN when they get battered for what they are assumed to have said because of what they report that someone else has said or would have said
So frustrating.

As you say, who knows what someone “would have said” so it was a silly question in a hypothetical scenario.
But if one is going to attribute a quotation to a person, they should not be misquoted . If there had not been written and video evidence of the actual Q/A we might well have taken it at face value (with all the attendant outrage)

- he makes it very clear that he agrees with her, 100%. There was no need at all to use the 'if the Irish want to shoot each other' - he could have said that Mrs T would not have pandered to the situation, etc. What he said was totally wrong- as he put the words in Mrs T's mouth- and she would have never said that

Who knows what anybody would have said. Thatcher, Wellington, Boudicca.

But to go back to topic of thread. I have given it much thought, about being insensitive to those suffering from cancer or who have family and friends battling with this terrible disease.

If I had a spouse, a best friend, a grandchild even - who may be at risk of not getting treatment because, as the warnings are very clear from experts (NO, NOT their opinions, but facts if we leave with no deal) - what should I do, as a wife, as a best friend, as a grandmother?

Say, how well, we voted, too late - will have to accept what comes of it, even if ...

Or say 'now I know what the consequences are- I shall fight it with all my strength- because that just can't happen.'

Mawbroon, yes who knows. But HE clearly CHOSE to put those words in her mouth- he was not quoting. He said it, because if you watch the video, it was clearly what HE was thinking.

It was what one could infer that he was thinking - and it was quoted on here and in the media as though he not only thought exactly that, but said it too, in those exact words.

If he said or implied also that he agreed 100%, and it doesn't surprise me at all that he did, then why were his words not quoted exactly?

And I still wonder why anyone believed that he was an expert to be asked such a question - or did they think that he would be good for a huge foot in the puddle, making a resounding splash?

It’s all conjecture isn’t it.
I would not be at all surprised if Stanley Johnson was indeed chosen because of the impact he was sure to create.
A.N Other would not have met the brief would he?

'If he said or implied also that he agreed 100%, and it doesn't surprise me at all that he did, then why were his words not quoted exactly?'

I agree, it would have been better. But the link to the video was posted for all to see and make their own mind up. To my mind, his demeanour makes it clear he agrees- and also he did not quote Mrs Thatcher, HE CHOSE the words- and clearly agreed with them.

But it was you who misquoted him Jura!
Do you not admit responsibility?

I mean why did you not check your facts first. It would have been easy enough to do, but of course would not have been as sensationalist.

I have watched the link, I have read the words. I think it's an awful thing to say.

No I don't like it when I get battered.

Mrs T wasn't asked to comment so could not have been quoted. The words that Stanley Johnson chose to put into Mrs T's mouth are not the words which were quoted on here and elsewhere as being the words that he chose. He approximated what Mrs T would have said, and those who repeat him have approximated what he thought she would have said. Two approximations equals Chinese whispers!

It may be pedantry, but when something is so-called "quoted" it should not be necessary to watch the video to see those words spoken to believe that they were quoted accurately. Anyone wanting to paraphrase what was said can do so without the quotation marks and with it clearly stated that it was "in effect" the meaning.

It shouldnt be necessary to confirm by video Elegran but when enough people say black is white sometimes you have to have another look for wourself!

I very much doubt if Mrs T would have said that at all about the Irish. She did, for all her manifold faults, have a grasp of statesmanship.

So I'm perfectly comfortable with interpreting what Johnson said as being his very own Alf Garnett like thoughts.

But fortunately Stanley Johnson doesn’t matter does he?

And Stanley is a staunch Remainer

So is this fizzling out?
No comment from Jura on the misrepresentation - is that it then?

Below is the latest statement by the Road Haulage Association in regard to a No Deal Brexit

Statement begins here:-
The Road Haulage Association is warning plans in the Government’s latest technical notice on commercial freight in the EU are too little, too late.

The RHA is astounded by the suggestion that hauliers should consider alternative modes of transport to move goods between the UK and the EU in the event of a ‘no-deal’ Brexit.

RHA chief executive, Richard Burnett said: “Goods are moved by road because of speed and efficiency – the UK relies on it’s incredibly efficient supply chain for consumers and businesses to get the things they need.

“This would very quickly put the manufacturing sector under severe pressure and the hauliers they rely on out of business.”

The Government has not said if it will require EU hauliers to apply for ECMT permits to enter the UK if UK operators are forced to obtain ECMT permits to enter the EU. The RHA says it’s unacceptable if permit requirements are not reciprocal.

We’re very concerned that there’s no mention of plans for freight movements between the UK and the Irish Republic.
Statement ends.

I expect that some on this forum will wish to dismiss the above as " scaremongering" yet again. However, in my own work I am finding there is now very real concern in the road transport industry in regard to the situation facing the industry and the country on the 30th March next year.

Maw 'So is this fizzling out? hmm
No comment from Jura on the misrepresentation - is that it then?'

no, I responded even before you asked - at 10.08.39. And since I linked to the video itself from the beginning, it was there for all to see.

Still waiting however for your explanation re my husband's Britishness and your 'hmm'.