Peoples' Vote March Saturday 20th October

We have always been a very influential member of the EU and could use our veto at any time. Why on earth would we throw that away?

You have not been listening to the 'experts', smileless, This 'poor little UK, they only want us for our money' stuff is absolute nonsense.

I won't bother to provide you with any evidence as you won't bother to read or watch it at this late stage, but believe me, wherever/whoever you've got that from is lying to you.

And the tiny proportion of our national budget (about 1%) we sent to the EU brought us back huge returns in income from trade. Income which is going to be very much diminished and which we will find very hard to replace.

However, I wish you joy of your hope for the future. I just wish you hadn't dragged me and mine into the mess.

No-one's voices were ignored when it came to counting the votes.

Like it or not (and I don't), they should have got out there and voted when they had the chance instead of complaining now.

I blame their inertia for Brexit.

I haven't dragged you anywhere Maizie I simply exercised my right to vote as did millions of others which is why if the result had gone the other way, I wouldn't suggest that those who had voted remain had forced me to stay in the EU.

I wonder how many who can be bothered to march on Saturday couldn't be bothered to vote in the referendum.

I expect that quite a lot of those who take part in the March were not allowed to vote two years ago because they were too young, or EU citizens who had lived here for many years and paid taxes but had no say, or some might be folk who were fooled into voting leave by the liars of the Leave .campaign and now regret that they allowsd themsslves to be fooled, or some who had the good sense to vote remain two years ao and are utterly appalled at the prospect of any kind of brexit.

My brother, who is 82 and can only walk with a rollatir, is going on this march. I am proud of him. Like me, he is utterly appalled at the prospect of Brexit.

'I wonder how many who can be bothered to march on Saturday couldn't be bothered to vote in the referendum.'

many did not vote, not out of apathy- but because they realised it is a massive decision, and they just felt they did NOT have the information required as to the consequences. They were proven right, in many ways -

they will vote when we get the vote on the final deal, for sure, as well as all those who have changed their mind now they realise what it actually means.

As everything on the Brexit threads are somewhat hypothetical, as there has been no agreement on anything as of today. I ask this.......

If there were to be a people's vote and the result was still to leave the EU, would those who disagree want a third vote and a fourth vote until they get the result they want.

Smileless?? Thank you. I think you speak for me but so much more eloquently.
I didn’t believe the bus, I’m not racist. I’m for a working trade agreement with Europe. At the risk of being repetitive that is what we signed up to originally.
It will be wonderful if we come out of this with a good deal, (this is your moment Jura!) but we will have to deal with what we get.

Just for the record - I voted remain!!

I have already voted twice to remain in the EU why do I need to vote again?

If most of the people now demanding a referendum people's vote couldn't be bothered to get off their bottoms and vote last time, why should we go to the expense and inconvenience of having another (or 3Rd!!!) try.

The odd thing is that had the vote gone the other way with the same margin, I would hazard a guess that no one from the winning side ie remain, would now be shouting foul, and that the margin however narrow, would have been considered perfectly acceptable!!!
Like others on here, I voted to join a trading block, and would happily do so again. The thought of becoming a small state inside a federation of nations run by Germany and France, with our government having less clout than the local authority, I find appalling! NO NO, NO!

We stayed up all night to watch the referendum results, fully expecting to remain. We voted to leave and not because we believed the crap on the side of the bus which is the accusation boringly hurled at leavers.

One thing that surprised us on that night was the attitude between the two camps....Enthusiasm versus complacency. It's no good making excuses for remainers who didn't vote. They didn't vote and that was their downfall. What's happening now is a last ditch desperate attempt to turn the tables because everyone is wiser after the event.

Tough!!

The thought of becoming a small state inside a federation of nations run by Germany and France, with our government having less clout than the local authority, I find appalling! NO NO, NO!

It was never going to happen. The Leave campaign did a very thorough job of persuading the gullible with their very own Project Fear, didn't they?

It's no good making excuses for remainers who didn't vote. They didn't vote and that was their downfall.

There are no excuses although they are now very full of energy and vociferous in blaming the older generation.

ie I agree merlot

GrannyGravy13 I think the answer to the question you posed, is unfortunately, yes.

The whole idea of a People's Vote is ludicrous, as it would completely turn democracy on its head.

Did this 2016 referendum not turn democracy on its head by overturning the 1975 referendum?

I think the Common Market and EEC was rather different to what the EU has become in the 40+ years since that referendum.

Looking at those changes then perhaps it is no wonder that some were fearful of changes that were perhaps to come.

Well done to Grandma70s brother and his rollater walker - I hope he has a good day.

No, it’s not ludicrous, JenniferEccles. The referendum was ‘advisory’. Parliament is the basis for our democracy. We are not a nation that has a history of prolific referendums.
In answer to some of the statements above, I think leavers would have demanded a second referendum, indeed, Nigel Farage stated as much when it was thought that the result would be a close one but going the other way.
As a remainer, if the vote, based on a much more informed decision of what leaving means, still said Leave, I would now be quite happy and would not expect a third, fourth etc. vote and I think that would be the same for many remainers.
Others above have explained why we feel the vote is flawed, from misinformation/lack of information to the failure to include in the vote many who would be directly affected.(Europeans living and working in this country to those Britons living in the EU.).
My son, who has married a Spanish woman, was not able to vote, not because of entitlement, he was well within the 15 years eligibility, but through the incompetence of his previous borough, who sent the wrong forms, then lost his forms which he did not learn about until after online registration voting had closed. This was not an isolated case.

This is all so silly and such barbs are not helpful.

^"It's been said over and over again varian. It would be wrong to have a peoples' vote because the only aim is to overturn the referendum result and stay in the EU.^" Surely not? Imo the point of a peoples' vote is to find out whether the reality of whatever deal is what people want or whether it is not. All this bickering could so easily stop if we all knew we were getting a chance to vote on the outcome of the negotiations.

"Can you in all honesty tell me that you'd have supported a peoples' vote if the result of the referendum had been to remain and it was Brexiters calling for another vote?" Well I would if it was discovered that the basis on which I had voted turned out to have been lies.

From the House of Commons International Trade Committee - a cross party group:

The UK currently benefits from the terms of trade agreements, and other trade-related
agreements, that the EU has with countries outside the Union. The Department
for International Trade (DIT) has set as its second priority “to see a transition of [each
of these] agreements to a UK agreement at the point that we leave the EU”. The exact
number of EU trade agreements seems to be a matter of some uncertainty. There appear
to be around 40 agreements with about 70 countries. Ten of the UK’s top 50 export
markets for goods in 2015 were covered by these agreements. The third-country (nonEU)
parties to the agreements account for around 11% of UK trade; and the prospective
parties to those agreements which are nearest completion or awaiting ratification
account for another 25% of UK trade. Unless action is taken, these trade agreements
will cease to apply to the UK, without exception, at the point of Brexit in March 2019.
In consequence, barriers to trade will be imposed.

If that doesn't worry you I don't know what will!

Kitty 'So is this fizzling out? hmm
No comment from Jura on the misrepresentation - is that it then?,

because, quite simply, this would not be a second referendum, but a vote on the final deal. Now that we all understand the massively severe issues we are facing, especially in the case of a NO deal. And now that we know there is no possible solution to the Irish border.

And of course,

small minority
lies
fraud

That was my point (Smileless2012 16/10/18) I thought the people voted in a democratic referendum to leave the EU so why can't this be accepted and we move on

Grandma70s 'My brother, who is 82 and can only walk with a rollatir, is going on this march. I am proud of him. Like me, he is utterly appalled at the prospect of Brexit.'

could you kindly thank your brother for making the effort to go- if he can, I'd love him to represent me as I am not able to go... perhaps wear a badge with 'Jura Switzerland' x

My hat and heart to him.

tinafl - could you please help us move on. Perhaps a solution to the Irish border would be helpful, or a solutions for international haulage, drugs and isotopes, flights and ports, EU citizens in the UK, and British citizens in the EU, and ... and ... the list is endless.

Democracy requires that knowledge allows citizens to change a decision if it is realised later that the consequences are dire. And as said before so many times, in the context of a very small minority, proven fraud, Russian interference (which the Police is refusing to investigate because they have been gagged by the Government- and THAT is very serious) and lies.

Smileless, find a post where I have been rude to a poster- and I will have a look and apologise, if I have been rude in a personal way, as lemon is regularly lately.