Bullying Remainers

Argh! Don't people get it? The Brexit problem is unsolvable!! If it was that easy it would have been sorted months ago. Labour and SNP couldn't possibly improve on the deal. Absolute doomsday scenario for UK if that inept bunch gained any sort of power.

My personal belief in why those voters put their X's to leave was a protest vote pure and simple as well as being ill-thought out. They're the ones who listened and believed the "lies of the euroskeptics xenophobes and the hidden Tory traitors who were hoodwinked into thinking they were British ".
Many remainers know about European values and the history we share with EU member countries. How many of us can just hop on a plane from the many airports that we have and just take off with relative ease ?
Doesn't everyone enjoy their holidays abroad without the need for visas into such countries ?
Did those who voted leave think of this ? I don't think so.
When I voted I'd done my homework and knew which way I was going to vote !

Smileless please tell me what you have observed that says you don't thin I would accept the result if Leave were to win a second referendum. You have to prove your accusation, I don't have to prove you were wrong.

mcem. I rather think the SNP Westminster MPs might just be a tiny bit influenced by NS in her absence.
Interesting what you say about Tories and DUP versus SNP.

Neither of us have to prove anything nonnie.

So Smileless you concluded that I wouldn't accept a second vote based on absolutely nothing at all? That leaves me wondering if there are other opinions you have which have no foundation.

No, I have nothing to prove but, after years of being bullied, I will not sit back and ignore someone making false accusations about me. I now challenge if something is untrue and leave the accuser to defend themselves, or not as in this case.

The point I was making david as that Sturgeon 'working in league' with JC can't be an option as such BUT there is no reason why NS shouldn't put forward firm views on the poor treatment of Scotland and back/encourage Westminster SNP MPs to cooperate with JC over the brexit fiasco. She has just declared on AM show that she/they are more than willing to talk to Labour.
Not quite sure what you were saying about DUP but many resent the fact that they hold undeserved balance of power.

Many also fail to accept (or prefer to ignore) that SNP is the 3rd largest party in HoC, before LibDem, Plaid, Greens, DUP!

Anyone else getting the sense that the tories are just going through a pantomime to given the impression they disagree with the deal, but will all quieten down in a few days, vote for the deal and leave May in post for the foreseeable future?

Yes crystal, I suspect and get the distinct feeling that you are right! Methinks they do protest too much! We shall see!!

crystal as I’ve said on another thread, I don’t think there will be the vote of no confidence and following on from this, I am now thinking she could win the vote on her deal. I expect it’s been a very interesting weekend in the constituencies. I hope MPs have been listening to all their constituents and not just the very small number of party members. I do wonder what the gang of 5 are playing at - and as for the ERG - but yes maybe it will all calm down and sense (ie self preservation) will prevail. JRM is looking sillier and sillier by the day

JRM looks incredibly silly at the best of times. Hard to believe anyone takes him seriously.

I think Private Eye compared JRM to the picture of John Cleese at The Ministry of Silly Walks if anyone remembers that.

Dominic Raab, he who resigned as Brexit Secretary last week, was on the BBC Andrew Marr programme today (18/11/28) and advised on why he had resigned over the brexit deal that he has had a hand in negotiating. When Andrew Marr pressed him on the present deal being rejected in Parliament may well lead to a "no deal exit" with Britain crashing out of the European Union, Dominic Raab really demonstrated his total ignorance in regard to Britain's cross-border trading with the European Union.

In the above, Dominic Raab glibly advised that should there be problems at the port of Dover; then trucks could be switched the ports of Dunkirk or even Amsterdam. In that, does he not realise that the road hauliers that continually go backwards and forwards from this country to the continent have contracts with the ferry and port companies which they could just not walk away from.

Also , it would be very probable that the shipping Lines would not just be able to switch their ships from operating from Dover and Calais to another port at very short notice. The port of Dunkirk most certainly would not be able to handle a sudden increase in the number of trucks and ships it handles however much the requirement may be, with Amsterdam being in much the same position especially as it is set up to handle containers rather than roll-on roll-off trucks.

It also seemed to escape Dominic Raab's perception that both of the above ports are in the European Union and therefore the same checks and delays are likely to occur to free movement there as much as they would at port of Dover.

I believe the above demonstrates how much this conservative government are out of touch with the realities of Britain's cross-border traffic with the European Union which have been built up over 40 years.

I found Dominic Raab's interview and comments on the Andrew Marr programme today, absolutely laughable

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about nonnie.

I posted yesterday that neither of us have anything to prove. You seem to be very upset about my assumption, which you perceive as arrogant, but have no problem with making assumptions of your own for eg. that you are left wondering if I have other opinions that have no foundation.

As we appear to be in agreement that we have nothing to prove, I suggest we leave the matter there.

Smile if I had made a false assumption about you I would have apologised. Perhaps you don't remember saying that I wouldn't accept a second vote? I asked you on what you based that assumption.

I have noticed on here that sometimes people make claims and even accusations but when they are disproved they don't apologise. When Anya was on here she and I sometimes disagreed but she was never unpleasant and we had reasoned debate. Neither of us disrespected the other's viewpoint. We certainly never made assumptions about each other.