So no hope from Jeremy either?

Jalima there isn’t a strong oposition, Corbyn wants out of the EU , it was said this week - Corbyn is a remainer when in the north and a leaver when in the south. A good leader does not sit on the fence .

Just to remind everyone how this mess started. Cameron had a small group of rebellious eurosceptics causing trouble that he wanted to silence. He was confident of wining a referendum, he was WRONG very wrong.

We know how the mess started,

Grandad

I am not interested in the running of or changes required in Parliament and as for behaviour of MP's then no party holds a higher ground.

When you comment regarding the 10 year rule proposal you brought to the thread:-

"For what it is worth, my opinion is that the Formby proposal is basically sound and the outline should be adopted for "firming up" into Labour party policy."

Are you saying the ' Exclusion' of certain candidates is 'acceptable ' in your opinion as that is how I view your response. So the following scenarios I mention are indeed dispensable to suit the proposal. :-

Nobody under the age of 28 presumably.

Nobody who has not been in employment for 10 years

Disabled who have not had employment for 10 years

Men/women who have raised a family whilst not in employment.

Anybody who has worked as an aid or researcher etc. in parliament because they are potentially the ' career politicians ' of the future that Labour/Momentum dislike so much.

Men and women who took an academic rather than employment route so have not 10 years employment.

There are other reason obviously why any rule that states candidates must have 10 years work experience would apply.

I understand this proposal needs reflection and tidying up but if a proposal such as you spoke of came about then it cannot pick and choose if /when/why the goal post can be moved to suit who/when/ why without the obvious call of hypocrisy.

Yes, Davidhs we haven't forgotten!!

However, this is something that other parties suggested and even put in their manifesto over the years but never actually got as far as holding a referendum.

Tony Blair, Prime Minister, had a referendum in his 2005 manifesto:
We will put it to the British people in a referendum and campaign whole-heartedly for a ‘Yes’ vote to keep Britain a leading nation in Europe.

Nick Clegg, Lib-Dem leader, 2010 manifesto:
It's been over THIRTY years since the British people last had a vote on Britain's membership of the European Union.
That's why the Liberal Democrats want a real referendum on Europe. Only a real referendum on Britain's membership of the EU will let the people decide our country's future.
But Labour don't want the people to have their say.
The Conservatives only support a limited referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. Why won't they give the people a say in a real referendum?
Not everything is perfect with Europe but we believe that EU membership has been good for our country.
But whether you agree with Europe or not it is vital that you and the British people have a say in a real EU referendum.

The LibDems also voted for the Act bringing about the EU Referendum in Parliament in 2015.

Cameron went ahead with a much talked-about referendum and also campaigned wholeheartedly to keep Britain in the EU.

None of them anticipated the result.

Cameron did campaign to keep Britain in the EU, Corbyn went on holiday

Does Diane Abbott fit into the 10 years in employment?

Left university , worked in Home Office 1976 - 1978.

Researcher for ITV 1980 - 1985

Entered politics 1982 when elected to Westminster City Council

Elected to Parliament in 1987 she was then34

Just to remind everyone how this mess started. Cameron had a small group of rebellious eurosceptics causing trouble that he wanted to silence.

Um, no. For years we had Labour's open door immigration policy (Blunkett, Home Secretary 2003, famously said the UK could hold any number of immigrants.)

The faces of our towns and cities changed as EU migrants arrived, economic migrants settled, asylum seekers were given homes. People in inner cities were most affected but it wasn't on any political agenda as a cause for concern until UKIP queried our ties to the EU and open borders.

People then felt able to speak and it became an issue.

It had been swept under the carpet.

None of the major parties took it onboard. To object to swelling numbers from overseas and the strain on public services was deemed 'racist' so people kept quiet.

It was the policy, not the people most objected to. (Many of my Asian friends felt the same way!) UKIP opened the discussion, and like it or not, it was one that needed to be had. Then Labour and Conservatives put immigration issues on their manifestos too, otherwise they'd have lost voters.

Over the years we examined our membership of the EU from all angles, and the costs of belonging as well as the effects on the UK of growing population and the changing face of our cities.

It had become a VERY hot topic, talked about incessantly and Cameron promised a referendum.

He kept his promise. I feel it was political honesty for a change and he should not be vilified. (I know Remainers disagree.)

Thanks for that Jalima

I wasn't aware Labour and the Lib Dems were in favour of a referendum as well. Cameron, being in office, got to do the deed. His poisoned chalice. I respect him for keeping that promise.

Besides which, of course, in June 2015:

History made as MPs vote in favour of EU referendum by 544 to 53
MPs have voted overwhelmingly in support of holding a referendum on Britain’s membership of the European Union (EU).

Who were the 53 voting against holding a referendum?
Seriously outnumbered, whoever they were.
These were the MPs who voted No for the third reading of the European Union Referendum Act 2015:
House of Commons Hansard Debates for 07 Sep 2015 (pt 0005)
NOES
Ahmed-Sheikh, Ms Tasmina
Arkless, Richard
Bardell, Hannah
Black, Mhairi
Blackford, Ian
Blackman, Kirsty
Boswell, Philip
Brock, Deidre
Brown, Alan
Cameron, Dr Lisa
Chapman, Douglas
Cherry, Joanna
Cowan, Ronnie
Crawley, Angela
Docherty, Martin John
Donaldson, Stuart
Ferrier, Margaret
Gethins, Stephen
Gibson, Patricia
Grady, Patrick
Grant, Peter
Gray, Neil
Hendry, Drew
Hosie, Stewart
Kerevan, George
Kerr, Calum
Law, Chris
MacNeil, Mr Angus Brendan
Mc Nally, John
McCaig, Callum
McDonald, Stewart
McDonald, Stuart C.
McGarry, Natalie
McLaughlin, Anne
Monaghan, Carol
Monaghan, Dr Paul
Mullin, Roger
Newlands, Gavin
Nicolson, John
O'Hara, Brendan
Oswald, Kirsten
Paterson, Steven
Robertson, Angus
Salmond, rh Alex
Sheppard, Tommy
Skinner, Mr Dennis
Stephens, Chris
Thewliss, Alison
Thomson, Michelle
Weir, Mike
Whiteford, Dr Eilidh
Whitford, Dr Philippa
Wilson, Corri

All the rest in favour of giving the voters a say.

Thank you Jalima I see Ian Blackford and Dennis Skinner in the list, one wants remain one wants leave

Jalima

Predominantly the SNP who want a 2nd Refendum when it comes to their own interests.

I think that the list is of MPs who didn't vote in favour of the 2016 referendum.

Did they have a crystal ball?

Anniebach

Re Diane Abbott she is another point in question and if the reasoning behind the 10 year rule as mentioned by Grandad were adhered to would she indeed have been a candidate for Labour?

Also if the feeling is unless an individual passes the 10 year test test they cannot be a worthwhile candidate for Labour or be a goosd MP what does it say about the many Labour MP's past and present who fall foul of the ' proposed 'criteria .

Perhaps suggesting this 10 year rule before standing for Parliament is, besides the fact that people would gain experience of working in 'the real world' , they would probably have been members of a Trades union whilst doing so.

As for behaviour in the H of C - no-one has picked up my link about there being bars in the H of C - could there be a link between alcohol and unruly behaviour?

Actually yes Diane Abbott would qualify under the 10 year rule.
Full details of employment
After university she became an administration trainee (a fast track route to senior positions in HM Civil Service)[7] at the Home Office (1976 to 1978), and then a Race Relations Officer at the National Council for Civil Liberties (1978 to 1980).[8] Abbott was a researcher and reporter at Thames Television from 1980 to 1983 and then a researcher at the breakfast television company TV-am from 1983 to 1985.[9] Abbott was a press officer at the Greater London Council under Ken Livingstone from 1985 to 1986 and Head of Press and Public Relations at Lambeth Council from 1986 to 1987
1976-1987 is eleven years I believe.
Still it's good to see that the usual amount of racism and mysoginism still exists on GN. It's just a pity some people can't be bothered to research (or deliberately distort) information.

trisher

Actually there is nothing racist or misogynistic just because a case in question happens to be a female of colour , especially when male cases in point have been mentioned also. That is twisting personified.

I actually think some of the rolls have indeed been possible rolls that lead to or could be tantamount to veering towards being thought of as leading to being seen as ' career politician ' but I take your point and will retract what I posted about Dianne Abbott being a point in question but not for any other comment.

Do you have a thought about the potential candidates that would not be accepted by Labour/Momentum as mentioned? The disabled/those who raised a family , followed an academic route etc.?

some people think that being a civil servant is not work but I can assure them that it is!!

POGS the comment about Diane Abbott continues on GN what can only be described as a persistent and distasteful attitude towards her that can only be desribed as racist and mysoginistic. That the information used to justify this is false simply reaffirms that.
As for the people you post about. Many disabled people do work, caring for children is a job and most academics I know are working even if they are continuing to do research. I don't believe that the employment would have to be paid employment.

I don't think anybody has said otherwise Jalima .

There are roles in the civil Service that are deemed to be potential routes into politics . What is loosely termed ' 'career politicians ' if they obtain MP status .

I didn't mean on here, but I have heard it said quite often.

trisher

I accept you have a point as I suppose I feel that way too when there is persistent/aggressive posting over the likes of say Rees-Moggas an example and those who use misandry/ class/race/career .

I think Diane Abbott was preparing for a political career , with the exception of 4cyears at ITV , unless councils have no connection with politics

You may think what you like Annie it doesn't matter anyway. No one is saying people shouldn't have political aims from the start just that before they enter Westminster they should have a wider knowledge of the world and DA certainly had that. If everyone who worked for a council had political aims there would be thousands of MP candidates!
POGS ^Rees-Moggs having money or his class isn't the problem, it is his political views I object to.

If I was reviewing that work record for a job candidate I would be wondering about six jobs in eleven years. None exceeding much more than two years.