Can this government really continue?

crystaltipps Tue 15-Jan-19 17:01:53

"When did labour go into a coalition with Sinn Fein? They haven’t. Of course there would be an outcry if that happened. Why do you argue that a hypothetical situation is justification for an actual one?
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Follow the thread and you will see nobody has said Labour 'has' gone into coalition with Sinn Fein.!!!

I know they haven’t but you were suggesting that possibility as justification for not objecting to the government’s deal with the DUP. Strange argument.

Not as "Justification" crystaltips I was trying to discover why the deal with the DUP is considered acceptable. To my mind they are one of the most reactionary parties in UK politics and their policies are unacceptable. They have been involved in very dodgy deals with the Green power scandal and have links to paramilitaries and yet so many people have refused to condemn them and the government they prop up.

PM's deal was rejected by 230 votes.

And Corbyn has registered a vote of no confidence. Which should be debated tomorrow.
I've been watching it on Parliament Live.
The SNP have got the wind in their sails.
Too exciting for me, I'll have to have a lie-down.

I don't think it can continue, never mind we can always have Corbyn, Russias friend, what a fine upright embassador he will make, we must be the laughing stock of the world.

What a mess. I'm ashamed of Westminster and almost every MP in it.

There is only one party that has made this nation the laughing stock of the world, and that is the Conservative party and no other body in this parliament.

I do not doubt that Theresa May will win the vote of no confidence tomorrow night as Turkeys do not vote for Christmas. However, it is now out there for all to see that this Tory government/party and its UDP cronies are exactly what the old adage states "mindless Turkeys".

Corbyn is eager, I have already received an e mail asking for money because the Tories have backers , someone needs to remind the man he has the Unions cheque books

They haven’t gone now & probably won’t because the alternative as it is doesn’t inspire any confidence either.

As I said on the other thread this is a national emergency. We need a coalition government now.

Jane10, in 1940 the Labour and Liberal parties backed Winston Churchill to lead a government of national unity even though the Conservative party was hopelessly split on his appointment.

However, although I would agree such a cross-party government is required in the crisis Britain faces now, who is there in parliament at the present time that the majority of the house could unite around to lead such a cross-party government.

Where is/who is that person?

Fennel, have a glass or two of wine instead. Only way to go. The Tories will hang on by their toenails. We live in exciting political times. I am so glad I live in the 21st century with rapid internet delivering every move going. My daughter is actually in the Houses of Parliament tonight at another event. How I envy her soaking in the atmosphere.

Devour gilla, I can't think of anything worse except torture, than being with that baying mob. It is not exciting times, it is shameful ones, I am not proud of the party I voted for or the other mad lot. Yesterday was a sad day for democracy and decency.

As I said on the other thread this is a national emergency. We need a coalition government now.

I have been saying for a long time that we needed a cross-party committee to deal with Brexit.
I listened to a talk by Jonathan Freedland on the car radio today which was very interesting, very reasoned and eminently sensible. He was speaking on the Jeremy Vine programme - I do find JV irritating but he did let JF speak. If I could link to it I would but I am finding it difficult. I'd like to listen to it so I could concentrate fully on it.

Could/would Labour and Tories work together ?

I was thinking of the Shadow Brexit Secretary rather than Corbyn and McDonnell, as I think neither of them is capable of working in any sensible or constructive way with other parties.

Corbyn will do all he can to scupper talks, he wants a general election no matter the cost to the country

It seems that other parties are willing to talk with the government to try to move this forward but so far Corbyn has not been forthcoming; however the PM has said her door is open to him.

He has actually said he will talk as long as she rules "No deal" out of the question. If she won't do that, why won't she? Possibly because vested interests in her party know they will make money from a "No deal"

Corbyn, who has always declared his belief in talking, his explanation for time with the IRA, anti Israeli groups, Hamas , refuses to talk to the UK PM !

Annie, trisher has already expanded on that. I heard on the Today show that other party leaders who went to see her are now saying they also won't talk to her again unless she rukes out 'no deal'.

I expect Corbyn has nothing useful to say as usual.
You don’t go into any discussions by demanding that something is taken off the table in advance of those talks.

Hold on lemon, isn't that pretty much what TM did to the EU with her red lines? She wants Labour votes so will have to concede something.

Yes Humpty and it was a mistake on May’s part.
Although few actually want a no deal scenario, in negotiations with the EU, they must think it possible that it could happen, it’s about the only lever we have now.
In any case, from our own side here in the UK nobody should be refusing to talk about anything by demanding certain things before they meet.They can say that they would never support it but should not be a demand to take something away.