What next?

There is a very interesting thread on Mumsnet where the OP asks "what do you actually want to happen?"

I strongly recommend it to GNetters who don't have much opportunity to hear the views of younger parents.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3488908-What-do-you-actually-WANT-to-happen-next-PV-WA-ND-Revoke?pg=1

Well thanks for that link Varian.
Am pleased to see that my opinions are so close to those of the younger
generation. I know how my own family members feel but we do have the Scotland issue too (on which we are nearly all agreed.)
I now wish we could somehow make it clear that all over-50's are not right-wing proBrexit voters.

I don't know why people are worrying about a possible European army when this country is faced with utter chaos caused by irresponsible Governments in a few week;s time.

Of course there are proposals by the EU that we may not all agree with but surely the more immediate threat to the UK is a no-deal Brexit! The EU isn't perfect because nothing is and the alternative (UK trading on its own terms) is a huge gamble with our economy, our jobs and our future.

If you watched everyone being interviewed on TV lately you'd expect that everyone living here supports Leave because Remainers are either not being selected for interview or are too scared to speak publicly about their views.

The same thing happened with the last Question Time. The audience appeared to be mainly Leave supporters but the majority of voters in the Winchester constituency in 2016 voted Remain.

What do I want to happen? Revoke Article 50 and let everyone have a period of peace and stability to deal with the shocking problems here caused by years .of austerity.

Quite apart from voicing our own opinions I'd dearly like to think that many on GN might take 5 minutes to read at least part of the MN thread.
It's quite a revelation!

Actually mcem it’s time to stop younger people thinking that Brexit voters are not all or even mainly right wing voters, and that many Labour constituences as we know mainly voted to leave the EU.Not all were over 50 either.
Unfortunately younger people have always thought( from time immemorial) that older people know nothing.Until they grow up a bit of course.

Perhaps Mumsnet should be reading Gransnet.

The UK will be unable to have frictionless, tariff-free trade under World Trade Organization rules for up to seven years in the event of a no-deal Brexit, according to two leading European Union law specialists.

The ensuing chaos could double food prices and plunge Britain into a recession that could last up to 30 years, claim the lawyers who acted for Gina Miller in the historic case that forced the government to seek parliament’s approval to leave the EU.

It has been claimed that the UK could simply move to WTO terms if there is no deal with the EU. But Anneli Howard, a specialist in EU and competition law at Monckton Chambers and a member of the bar’s Brexit working group, believes this isn’t true.

“No deal means leaving with nothing,” she said. “The anticipated recession will be worse than the 1930s, let alone 2008. It is impossible to say how long it would go on for. Some economists say 10 years, others say the effects could be felt for 20 or even 30 years: even ardent Brexiters agree it could be decades.”

The government’s own statistics have estimated that under the worst case no-deal scenario, GDP would be 10.7% lower than if the UK stays in the EU, in 15 years.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/27/uk-cannot-simply-trade-on-wto-terms-after-no-deal-brexit-say-experts

Out of the frying pan and into the fire comes to mind. If we leave with no deal we will watch the decline of our country and at some point in the future will go grovelling back on EU terms and not the favourable ones we have now. Surely, if in doubt, don't?

and another one - better the devil you know.

Just watched Sky News. As usual, people were told about the possible/probable problems that leaving the EU will create and the only reply was 'everything will be ok' and 'just get on with it'. I've yet to hear any of them put forward a solution to the problems. Oh, and also read that arch brexiteer Bamford only pays a fraction of his tax in this country. What a surprise....

It is quite alarming how many people have been brainwashed into thinking that a no-deal brexit is perferctly OK.

What is wrong with these people that they want to harm themselves, their families , their neighbours, and relegate their country to the fourth division of world powers?

Exactly Varian, it was so so unnecessary .

Someone on the news last week said their son worked for Airbus but, if he lost his job, it would still be worth it. Let's hope he doesn't have a mortgage and a family if it happens.

Just read mumsnet. Seems their views coincide with mine. Thank you Varian. In NZ, ex-pats that I’ve met think leaving is just crazy! Food here is at least twice the price than the UK currently, petrol similar in price, houses similar in price with wages less than in the UK. At least people now have to be resident before they are allowed to buy.
Our politicians seem no further forward so wondering what tomorrow’s amendments will bring. I will be glad to come home to the UK shortly but feel this whole thing is out of control! What uncertain times we live in and crashing out will only be OK for those who have already taken measures to ensure their financial and personal safety e.g. Farage, Rees-Mogg.
It’s scary!

I really don't understand why so many people think that Johnson and Rees Mogg represent them and have their best interests at heart...

In reply to that Labaik, can you explain why the likes of pro EU Tony Blair and billionaire Richard Branson represent you and other Remainers, because they sure as hell don't represent me or my peers.

Blair and Branson aren’t in parliament and not in a position to vote on any current proposals . Anymore than Dyson, Nigel Lawson, Tommy Robinson, Farage et al.

It's a bit naive to suggest that only elected members can influence outcomes. Yes they're the ones who pass legislation but they, like members of the public, are open to persasion (and possibly other less respectable and legitimate pressures!)

*persuasion

MPs are the only ones voting on the deal or non deal at the moment. Those who get up and give speeches or twitter about something are influential but don’t “represent” anyone. MPs are “representatives” by definition.

Yes. As I said, I am well aware of that but please don't tell me that their only influences are from their electorate.
Business interests? Party policies? Whip's office? As our MPs are not mandated, they are open to persuasion so the Bransons, Robinsons at al can certainly have a sgnificant indirect influence even without voting in HoC!

As can front page lying headlines in the press....

Of course. No argument there. The brexit vote proved that didn't it?

Day6; can I ask you who you do think represents you? Tim Wetherspoon, perhaps?

I know who represents me and who is voting exactly as I'd wish him to do.
No split in the SNP who are "singing from the same hymn sheet" as I am.
Of course there are wealthy powerful figures who aim to bribe persuade others to their points of view - on both sides of brexit and both sides of the house.