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ayse Tue 15-Jan-19 20:46:40

Where is the vote in the Commons going to take us next. Whether remainder or leaver, this is a disgraceful shambles!

varian Fri 01-Feb-19 18:19:56

Theresa May turns again to Brussels, hoping to change a deal she had already declared was immutable. EU officials and governments have told her there is no possibility of deleting the “backstop” article rejected by Tory MPs. With a possible no-deal Brexit now less than two months away, big corporations as well as small businesses are increasingly alarmed. Warnings of possible shortages of food and drugs abound. The prime minister, however, insists the only alternative to her deal is no-deal and that allowing the people to vote on it would amount to betraying them.

What do we think about the performance of Theresa May???

jura2 Sat 02-Feb-19 11:20:05

There have been predicitions of violence and civil unrest if Brexit is not carried out, hard Brexit in fact. And I am sure that will be the case- Farage, Ukip, the EDL, BF - they are all getting ready. Government policy has always been that we must never give in the threats of deeds of violence, or terrorism, wherever it comes from.

However- I'll make another prediction- which concerns me a lot more as it woule be very long term, and in so many ways so much more damaging. We all know financial services are leaving, have left ot preparing to. And so many businesses- some huge providers of employment, and taxes too.

But perhaps even worse, and little talked about- is the massive brain, talent, ability, entrepreneurial, research, inovation- drain. Intelligent young people see no future in Brexit Britain and 1000s will not stay 'behind' on a little isolated island- where they will be wasted. All the above rely on EU and international joint activities, cooperation, intelligence and so much more. This is really sad- tragic indeed.

varian Sat 02-Feb-19 20:07:17

I so hope you are wrong, Jura. There would be no need for any of this if the brexit nonsense was stopped. It could be and it should be stopped.

Cherrytree59 Sat 02-Feb-19 20:13:18

55 days.....

jura2 Sat 02-Feb-19 20:24:24

So am I Varian, so am I, for sure.

Fennel Sat 02-Feb-19 21:15:36

People living in Europe with income generated in the UK could be badly affected after Brexit.
Exchange rate plus uncertainty of continuation.

jura2 Sat 02-Feb-19 21:24:12

Exchange rate + loss of health care provision, depending on the country. And so much stress and uncertainty.

Urmstongran Sat 02-Feb-19 21:27:47

Cherrytree59. ??
Yet again.

Urmstongran Sat 02-Feb-19 21:40:41

Reassuring:
Many bankers and politicians predicted after the June 2016 referendum that leaving the EU would prompt a mass exodus of jobs and business and deal a crippling blow to London’s position in global finance.

In fact, several companies are Brexit-proofing their businesses, as reported by International Investment.

The Square Mile could see up to 12,000 jobs lost in the short-term aftermath of Brexit with thousands more at stake longer term, the City of London Corporation warned.

But Reuters’ survey, conducted over six weeks between August and September, found that London is likely to remain the world’s international financial services hub after Brexit.

Nonnie Sun 03-Feb-19 10:27:00

Fennel UK pensioners in Europe have already lost 20% of their pensions because the £ has fallen by 20%

Urmston ^The Square Mile could see up to 12,000 jobs lost in the short-term aftermath of Brexit with thousands more at stake longer term, the City of London Corporation warned.

But Reuters’ survey, conducted over six weeks between August and September, found that London is likely to remain the world’s international financial services hub after Brexit.^

I don't think those contradict each other, perhaps we could lose 12,000 jobs and still be the world's international financial services hub.

jura2 Sun 03-Feb-19 10:31:16

Nonnie, 50% here since we arrived in 2009- not all due to Brexit, but yes, at least 20%. And if and when the £ tanks (as is all planned so that a few can make a fortune on exchange rates) - then how far can it go, 60%, 70% down on income.
To which the cost of private health care will have to be added?

Urmstongran Sun 03-Feb-19 10:43:40

I don’t think those statements contradict each other either Nonnie which I why I headed my post ‘reassuring’. ??

andycameron69 Sun 03-Feb-19 11:13:15

we had a vote
the majority of the UK voted leave
that is democracy

so we leave totally

trade on WTO

no problem at all. looking forward to GB not being ruled by non-elected EU leaders,
time for me to celebrate

Nonnie Sun 03-Feb-19 11:19:46

Sorry Urmston missed that. Must drink more coffee!

Nonnie Sun 03-Feb-19 11:21:22

andy imo that is a very naive viewpoint. It was an illegal vote and should be nul and void or we should have a new, legal and honest vote.

MaizieD Sun 03-Feb-19 11:24:11

I'd just ignore andy if I were you, nonnie.

He just pops on here every now and then to say something really stupid about WTO and then disappears again.

andycameron69 Sun 03-Feb-19 11:26:49

keep calm dearies.

My opinion is just as valid as anyone else's.

Just because it is not the same as yours does not make it invalid or stupid.

The majority voted out,

A great future awaits GB.

Urmstongran Sun 03-Feb-19 11:28:42

Actually I agree with you andy

jura2 Sun 03-Feb-19 13:57:35

Dearie- blimey sad

Tell me, how can any respectful debate take place, when people are politely asked clear questions about their point of view of their own statements- and they just won't give any?

As for calming down - it is a sure sign of madness to not panic and try to get out when you are surrounded with fire and ready to blow up- as the UK currently is, and us with it.

Your opinion is indeed just as valid - as long as you are prepared to back it up, and as long as others can counter it with their own arguments, or facts (better than opinion for sure).

varian Sun 03-Feb-19 14:04:07

Nissan reignites Brexit debate by moving X-Trail production to Japan, in blow to 7,000 Sunderland staff

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/business/business-news/nissan-brexit-sunderland-japan-news-15773748

It certainly does not look as though the bosses of Nissan agree that "a great future waits GB". This is just the latest of thousands of job losses because of this brexit nonsense. I feel so sorry for the workers who have lost their jobs, in spite of not voting leave. Surely by know those who did vote leave because they were told they would be better off can see they were lied to and deceived.

Nonnie Sun 03-Feb-19 14:19:27

varian facts, why bother? No, don't mean that, keep going because someone just might listen or even give you reasons why they voted leave!

MaizieD Sun 03-Feb-19 14:35:52

Just heard a local Labour MP point out that the 7,000 potential job losses at Nissan roughly equals the number of jobs lost when the northern coalmines were shut down. It's a rather staggering thought.

Of course, the jobs won't all go at once; they'll be phased out as models go out of production. But that's just Nissan itself. There are thousands of peripheral local jobs dependent on Nissan and Nissan workers.

I think this may be my first 'I told you so'. I've been predicting it ever since the Leave vote.

I feel so sorry for the Nissan workers who voted Remain.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 03-Feb-19 14:42:29

The X trail is a diesel vehicle which is becoming increasingly unpopular in the West.

In fact most car manufacturers are scaling down the manufacturing of their diesel models.

Toyota are going to be building their petrol corolla in Derby despite Brexit.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 03-Feb-19 14:50:18

Also the X trail has never been built outside of Japan and is one of their smallest sellers.

Labaik Sun 03-Feb-19 15:24:18

But they had PLANNED to build it here did they not? There is always a proBrexit excuse for job losses/loss of investment, isn't there.