The cliff edges nearer because May doesn’t want to split party!

Controlling immigration was the reason given by many who voted leave, yet the UK government has not exercised the controls over EU and non-EU immigration that it could have done. This government has pandered to the anti-immigrant lobby by proposing curbs on "unskilled" immigrants (ie those earning less than £30k per year ).

Not only would that exclude many teachers, nurses and other highly skilled public sector workers, it would, according to the manufacturers organisation Make UK damage key industries.

The government’s proposed salary threshold for EU migrants will “decimate” the UK’s manufacturing base, according to Make UK, which is urging the government to phase in any minimum earnings level.

According to the manufacturers’ organisation, formerly known as EEF, 88% of employees working in skilled roles in manufacturing would not meet the salary threshold of £30,000, laid out in the government’s immigration white paper.

www.personneltoday.com/hr/post-brexit-immigration-salary-threshold-disastrous/

can you imagine the effect on OAP homes and hospitals too?

There is no evidence that attitudes among Eurosceptic MPs towards Theresa May's Brexit deal are softening, Conservative MP Peter Bone has said.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47400522

The brexit bullies of the ERG are stamping their feet and demanding their own way, but perhaps even Theresa May is beginning to realise that she has given into them for far too long.

Interesting. Immigration figures released today show that, although immigration from the EU has gone down, immigration from countries outside the EU is at it's highest level since 2004.

So ending Free Movement of people from the EU doesn't seem to be having any effect at all on the numbers of people coming to the UK

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47400679

Voting to restrict immigration from EU countries was really rather pointless it seems...

Great post Urmston ?? Well said.

Immigration ( always assumed by Remainers to be Leavers entire reason dor exiting the EU) means nothing to many of us.The UK needs as many overseas workers as it needs it could be less or it could be more!

The important thing, is that the UK decides, and the UK only.

Thanks lemon
No comment though on my post at all from varian - speaks volumes!
I get sick of all the negativity so now & again I’m spurred on to look things up to redress the balance.
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The UK gives the EU a gross contribution of £350 million a week. This is not a lie, and it is an amount which could be spent on the NHS if the UK Government so wished. These are usually touted as lies, but this stems from 'Remain' campaigners being unable to tell the difference between the words 'gross' and 'net' as well as the difference between the words 'could' and 'will'.

I'll comment on this one, Urmstongran.

The National Statistics Authority refuted this at the time. Their statement and correspondence here:

www.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/news/uk-statistics-authority-statement-on-the-use-of-official-statistics-on-contributions-to-the-european-union/

European Council President Donald Tusk, said western political civilisation would be destroyed if the UK voted 'Leave'. As you are currently reading this, it is safe to say western political civilisation has not ended. Therefore, we must conclude this was a 'Remain' lie.

I don't recall Donald Tusk being a participant in the UK 'Remain' Campaign. You can call him out for his statement if you like, but don't call it a 'Remain lie'. Nothing to do with the UK Remain campaign.

David Cameron implied in a speech about the "serried rows of white headstones" that World War 3 would be upon us if Brexit occurred. The last time I checked the UK had not invaded Poland or any other country, and therefore we must conclude this was a lie.

David Cameron implied nothing of the sort. He was referring to the fact that the EU had helped to keep the peace in Europe for 70 years. Which was not a lie. It was Boris Johnson who twisted his words into a prediction of WW3. You know, Boris Johnson, that confirmed liar who was sacked by a national newspaper for lying... And from what I've seen since the referendum it's Leavers, with their determined hatred of Germany, who seem to be intent on making Jonson's lies become reality.

George Osborne predicted tax rises and spending cuts would be implemented. To date, no changes to the planned tax rates or public spending have been implemented. So, another lie, and thankfully after his sacking Osborne is no longer in a position create his 'punishment budget'.

I don't know what planet you're living on, Ug but cuts to public services continue. Nothing to do with Brexit, really; just the tory's vicious and completely unnecessary austerity policy.

"A dangerous fantasy" is how Nick Clegg described Nigel Farage's claim of EU plans to create an army. Barely three months on from the Referendum, Juncker proposed an EU Army. I'm looking forward to Nick Clegg's next apology video like the one he made after his last whopper!

Juncker can propose away, but it is up to the Member States to agree to it. This notion that Juncker determines the direction of the EU is a leavers fantasy.

David Cameron said he wouldn't resign as Prime Minister if he lost the Referendum vote. Enough said.

Well, bloody hell! That was Cameron's very own personal lie and really not a terribly significant one in the scheme of things. Scraping the barrel here, I feel.

The former Prime Minister also tried to claim the UK could manage its immigration policy while inside the EU. Why are 'Remain' campaigners insisting we start to control immigration in any Brexit deal then? Because we cannot control EU immigration now, proving Cameron was lying.

We always could control EU immigration, it's just that governments never bothered to. I haven't noticed any Remain campaigners insisting that we start controlling immigration in any brexit deal, though they may well be reiterating that it has always been possible. And as for 'controlling immigration', figures released today show that, unsurprisingly, immigration from the EU has fallen (indeed, why on earth would they want to come to the country which has made it so clear that they are unwanted?) but immigration from non EU countries is at it's highest since 2004. How very odd.

Universities wanted the UK to remain in the EU because leaving would result in Horizon 2020 funding disappearing. The Chancellor, Philip Hammond, has agreed to keep this funding in place.

Oh, they should have had crystal balls to tell them what was going to happen 2 years down the line! This is absurd; genuine fears dressed up as lies.

Now explain why the list of lies varian posted aren't lies at all...

So disappointed that no Leaver has come to the defence of the Leave lies.

I think us Leavers are all posting on the Brexit Good News thread MaizieD.
A lot of us have moved on from all the negativity and doom surrounding this and other Brexit threads.
I for one am happier than the Remainers on here to look for encouraging signs about Brexit and am not going to post any more on the other Brexit forums!
Yes, maybe I’m delusional.
But then again maybe not and I’ll feel a helluva lot happier about it all in the meantime!

Tory peer Baroness Ros Altmann writes "The Tories won’t be forgiven for a hard Brexit – which equates to a massive tax rise on business"

inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/no-deal-brexit-business-tory-party-ros-altmann/

The real problem is that the Leave lies are indefensible. [Grin]

hard Brexit we the majority voted for.

fabulous darling

I don't think you'd be grinning if you were a sheep farmer ac many of whom will go out of business if there is a hard Brexit. But as long as you're happy..........

There won’t be a hard Brexit, so nobody need worry about ‘cliff edges’ shortages hysteria, livelihoods or anything else.

I don't believe there will lemon as common sense will prevail in the end, but feel for some who are very anxious about the outcome. I have friends who are Welsh farmers.

May 'did not understand EU when she triggered Brexit'

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/04/theresa-may-did-not-understand-eu-when-she-triggered-brexit

Our far-right Tory MP, who was listed as member of the ERG is apparently now being targeted with deselection because he voted for Theresa May's deal!!

Good grief, varian!

I'm sure quite a few MPs are feeling uneasy in their tenure at the moment because feelings are running so high on all sides. Thing is, once the population has taste of power (ie referendum) they are not going relinquish it easily. This is the reality of our so called democracy now.

I have just read in Guardian that MPs say that Brexit has coursened public debate to the point where they regularly receive death threats and other forms of intimidation via social media and elsewhere. Nicky Morgan told the Commons on Monday that she feared MPs were on the receiving end of "systematic intimidation" to force them to change votes on Brexit. I think this is more like anarchy than democracy.

proper no deal brexit on the way

so excited

and another day nearer...

celebrate good times

Yet another warning from intelligent and knowledgeable people about the risk of a "no-deal" brexit.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVhCIDOHCXc