Breakaway Labour MP’s

Iam64 I support a party. The party is Labour. Labour have elected Jeremy Corbyn as leader. If there is anything I regard as a problem it is that the media have painted such a picture of Corbyn that it may be impossible to win an election with him as leader. I regard this as a problem for the country rather than a single party. If we are to be ruled by the right wing media we are effectively waving goodbye to democracy. We are also condemning the country to a series of leaders like David Cameron and Nick Clegg. Politicians without any real commitment or political idealism who present themselves well and have backgrounds that can be cleaned up, but who run away when the going gets difficult, because they care more about themselves and their careers than other people.

Great post above trisher. I think I read somewhere that David Cameron is advising Theresa May on Brexit. He also wishes to return to British politics in the post of Foreign Secretary.

No wonder that the Brexit negotiations are in such a state under this Tory government.

trisher you support bullying, you said yesterday Corbyn’s party hadn’t bullied enough , that is a criticism is it not

Last September Matthew Parris said on Channel 4 ‘Both parties are in the process of destroying themselves’

www.channel4.com/news/matthew-parris-on-brexit-both-parties-are-in-the-process-of-destroying-themselves

He was right.

Annie you do love to take parts of a post and use them don't you? If you want an answer I suggest you quote the whole thing.

trisher we never agree, but I do read your posts, you have been very vocal in your views on such discussions as ‘Me To’
And any abuse of women, yet you remained silent when a poster said ‘why can’t they stand up to bullying and harassment ‘ your silence showed much

Thanks trisher, you’ve answered my question.
It’s no secret I left the LP a year after jC was elected. I didn’t vote for him because I feared he’d never win an election. I don’t dispute much of our press is right wing and I wish the DF wasn’t as popular as it is. However no one makes people read that paper yet many do.
I don’t share your belief that only the right wing press will stop the LP winning the next election. He isn’t popular on the doorstep, either in the deprived former mill town, or the traditionally left leaning south manchester suburbs. He’s very unpopular amongst the Jewish community in north manchester, another group of traditionally labour voters.
What distresses me most is that either JC and his advisors don’t see this, or they don’t care. Meanwhile our public services are being decimated. I know Blair is despised by JCs supporters, I know about Pfi etc but - all those years of Tory misrule left his government having to invest heavily, that’s inevitably going to be the case if the LP ever wins power again

think I read somewhere that David Cameron is advising Theresa May on Brexit
Surely not! Do you have a link please Grandad?

Jamilia are you sure you haven’t a secret crush on old Barry
I did stipulate the bed-time story should be on a CD only Mycat!!

Iam64 it’s amazing that so many within the LP ( not you, obviously) don’t seem to realise how unpopular Corbyn really is ‘on the doorstep’.Many Labour MP’s have to plead their case to voters and say ‘vote for me not Corbyn.

Iam64he's very popular with working class families in NE.

trisher

'Probably the worst thing about the party under Corbyn is that the MPs are not intimidated enough because they are speaking out. '
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You show you continue to have no grasp of what has been happening for years since the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum /Corbyn Party formed.

Or maybe your continual denial as to what the Labour MP's and Councillor's report has happened to them shows you just don't really care. I suspect by stating Labour MP's have not been ' INTIMIDATED ENOUGH' it is the latter.

Exactly how much ' INTIMIDATION ' do you consider appropriate.?

POGS really do you imagine that MPs were not intimidated by Alistair Campbell? His control and manipulation of all and sundry has been well documented and yet no one left the party. Why? Because no-one dared. Hence the remark but ignore the context. You see if as you say all these MPs were so intimidated how come they could hold meetings and orchestrate such a well organised and well publcised leaving event?
As for how much intimidation, well I'm sure Alistair could tell you,

For years now the Corbyn supporters have blamed the right wing press for making up facts about Corbyn

It's pathetic!

Why don't you listen to the MP' instead of thinking what they say is ' hear say' , unreliable, lies, they are not being intimidated enough apparently.

From the Baroness Royall report in 2016 which revealed Oxford Labour students engaged in antisemitism Corbyn supporters have denied antisemitism became a problem for the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum Party .

Fast forward to 2018/2019 and the problem has became even more widespread and the MP's / Councillors who have experienced harassment , bullying and antisemitic attacks by ' their own side ' for the most part are demonized , not by decent Labour Members or voters but by the Corbyn supporters often new and returned to the party often .

You don't have to read the right wing press for information , just listen to the debates on antisemitism and harassment in Parliament to gain some knowledge and if you think they are
' NOT INTIMIDATED ENOUGH ' Shame on you.

grannypauline

'those Labour MPs who have defected were ALL in favour of recommissioning Trident '

'Also, they could be deselected because they no longer represent their local party's views on defence etc'
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In 2017 Labour were 'committed ' to Trident , has the policy changed?

Corbyn is obviously anti defence including Trident but whilst he said he personally did not agree with Trident he said he would honour the policy .

“The manifesto makes it very clear that the Labour party has come to a decision and is committed to Trident.

trisher

'POGS really do you imagine that MPs were not intimidated by Alistair Campbell? His control and manipulation of all and sundry has been well documented and yet no one left the party. Why? Because no-one dared. Hence the remark but ignore the context.'
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Context!

I don't give a fig about the deflection talking about Campbell The ' context ' is very simple to me trisher and I think the ' context ' behind your statement said it all. You referred to Corbyn not Campbell :-

'Probably the worst thing about the party under Corbyn is that the MPs are not intimidated enough because they are speaking out .'

POGS it's not deflection if you are going to talk about intimidation and bullying you have to look at the wider picture and ask "has it happened before?" Well yes it has. "What happened then?" Well basically all MPs were kept in check by a man who used.everything he could to keep disagreements in the party (and there were many) under control. His methods and his language are legendary. But it worked.

trisher

So Labour has been bullying it's MP's for years in your opinion. That's your opinion not mine.

Antisemitism has certainly been on the rise for the past 3 years and so has bullying and intimidation.

Again I am not interested in Campbell it was your statement and opinion that summed up a lot for me when you said :-

' Probably the worst thing about the party under Corbyn is that the MPs are not intimidated enough because they are speaking out. '

Actually I think you're right about Trident, and they voted with the Party! But they still voted against an investigation into the Iraq War, and some voted for the Iraq War.

Also: all those years of Tory misrule left his government having to invest heavily, that’s inevitably going to be the case if the LP ever wins power again
this is why an incoming Labour government must take over the wealth of the country - including nationalisation of the banks and stopping capital flowing out of the country

trisher Sat 23-Feb-19 17:36:00

"Iam64he's very popular with working class families in NE."
I can confirm that, trisher .
Just to add to my posts yesterday, I hate the 'victim' culture which seems to pervade all discussions on this kind of thing.
During WW2 many Jews fought back b'h.

In the heart of Tory Surrey our local CLP at least doubled after JC was elected. It is not an area associated with extreme lefties or anti- semitism. There is an active Churches Together group that sells Palestinian Fair Trade products.
I know that is anecdotal but it has happened.
Re Anti Semitism it is my understanding that most LP members, including JC, acknowledge that there are/ have been racist incidents..including anti- Semitism amongst the membership. JC has made statements denouncing such behaviour and action has been taken against those whose cases were proven following investigation.

Whilst there is still ongoing international debate about being against the policies of Zionism equating to anti Semitism there will be people who perceive the issue to be more serious.

Any act of racism is unacceptable.

Not the victims of the holocaust or the many who fled Germany

Annie that was not what I meant.
Lookup vicitimhood culture, or snowflake generation etc.

Are you suggestion Jews today are a snowflake generation ?

What makes you think that?
It's ALL people not just Jews . Including you.