Breakaway Labour MP’s

Jura fire and water don’t mix. There has been MP’s crossing the floor but a party of conservatives and labour MP’s couldn’t work , would the voter be voting Tory or labour ? Could an agreement on policies be reached by both after brexit ?

Sadly, it is a group of Remainers.

Whilst they might be anti Corbyn, they ARE pro EU and tended to side with Brussels in negotiations regarding Brexit.

I see them as anti democracy I'm afraid. They want a second referendum. I shan't be supporting them.

I'd rather support Corbyn regarding Brexit - if he'd grow a pair (fat chance) and remain true to his long held Eurosceptic beliefs and fight for the UK getting out of the EU. His constand fence sitting tactics make him a very weak leader.

It didn't mix so far in UK - it does in many other countries with different kind of political systems. The centre right of the Tory party, and the centre left of labour- has a lot more in common than the extremes of each. ERJ has more in common with the UDP and Ukip...

And for voting- for now- revoking art 50 or getting a peoples' vote- is more important than anything else. They'd be voting tactically of course. I believe they all want a decent education system, to save the NHS from privatisation, to deal with the environment and pollution, effective international research and innovation, etc, etc, etc.

The old 2 party system is broken and not fit for the challenges of the 21st century - onwards and forwards to the future- strong in the EU and ready for reform, at the top table.

That 'Democracy' call does not fly I am afraid- as said 100 times before- a very close call- without any preparation and information, and with massive lies, fraud, dirty money, foreign interference - which the Government is trying to prevent from being properly investigated- can never ever be called 'democracy'.

Good grief, John MacDonald talking about ‘doing the honourable thing’ ,

MacDonald and honourable ?

Bliar's Labour Party didn't represent my ideologies. I felt betrayed then.

I re-joined when Corbyn became leader.
For anti-semitism read anti-zionism.

Brexit - yes, shocking. But change from within. This will be a gift to the Tories.

*The seven are standing as ‘a new group’, i am tempted ,
Chuka said they have a website for anyone wishing to sign up*

You'd have to be a remainer and support a second referendum. This group is as much about about their personal stand regarding Brexit as it is an anti Labour one, sadly.

The Labour Party was split when Corbyn became leader. This is an "I want to do Brexit my way!" protest (ie: we will Remain) as much as anything else.

The Seven should resign their seats and allow bi-elections so their constituents can decide whether to continue support for them or select someone else to represent them.

This has happened before in 1981. Whatever happened to the Gang of Four?

Labour is in disarray and weakened. The Conservatives in exactly the same boat too.

Too many fingers in Westminster trying to serve the Brexit pie their way, and the personally held beliefs of MPs rather than toeing the party line means we cannot vote for any party and know they will represent us or speak for us.

What a carve up!!

This isn’t a new party (yet) but could well be, in time.
I hope their constituences continue to support them as Independents.So many ordinary working people cannot stomache the thought of Corbyn as PM.

Well said Day6 that is exactly the case.

I agree Rowantree that the seven breakaway Labour MPs should resign their seats.

This was a carefuly planned coup. The website (which has crashed) is owned by a company set up by Gavin Shuker in January beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/11770529/filing-history
Thanks to Guidofawkes for the info.
Owen Jones thinks the website looks like an insurance company. Possibly when they manage to fix it we can see for ourselves

In the 1987 election the SDP increased their seats

With a bit of luck out of this shambles they may decide to abandon Brexit - one can but hope!!

Owen Jones ? Wonder if the fact his parents were members of the ‘Trotskyist Militants ‘ influenced his political beliefs

Undoubtedly Annie but his book "Chavs: the demonisation of the working class" is brilliant.

As opposed to ‘the working class are saints’ perchance?

So far we have had McClusky, MacDonald and Lansman giving interviews ?

trisher

'They seem capable of making general accusations that they do not detail but which no doubt are attractive to a right wing press. Anti-semitism is rife in the party- really? Then why not name names?'
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10/10 for your persistent denial there is any such thing but you really are on a hiding to nothing.

It wasn' t just the antisemitism or Brexit stance of the Labour Leader that they felt they could no longer support was it!

POGS it is the easiest thing in the word to assert something without providing any evidence. Now had they said we have seen anti-semitism and X, X and X are guilty of it, I would have been much more prepared to listen to them, because then at least the allegations could be investigated. They haven't. Instead they have chosen to make a generalisation which is largely unprovable and certainly uninvestigatable. Now if there is anti-semitism and it is as wide spread as has been stated I would have thought it would be regarded as the responsibility of those who know about it to expose it and ensure it is eradicated and the perpetrators are banned from the party and posssibly prosecuted. So if there is as they allege anti-semitism and it is rife they are actually condoning it by their silence. Of course if it doesn't actually exist they couldn't out it. Either way they are failing in their public duty.
My views on if there is or isn't are largely irrelevant but I have said before there is a narrow line between anti-Zionism and anti-semitism and people cross it sometimes because of beliefs sometimes because they find it difficult to understand and the key to solving that is education.
The point is why raise it at a public meeting if they (as many of them stated) still believe in Labour values? Labour values are the grass roots party. Not McDonnel, not Corbyn, not McClusky. And if they went for a by-election they would discover if there was support for those values.

The Labour Party are investigating , well Jennie Formby is !

Baroness Shami investigated and was given a seat in the Lords for her efforts

'POGS it is the easiest thing in the word to assert something without providing any evidence. Now had they said we have seen anti-semitism and X, X and X are guilty of it, I would have been much more prepared to listen to them, because then at least the allegations could be investigated. '
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trisher you have never been prepared to' listen ' over the years that Labour MP' s /Councillors et al have reported antisemitism /bullying and harassment within the party.

As for your ironic comment ' alligations could be investigated' what the hell do you think has just happened with the Jennt Formby scenario that has cemented the view that just like the Chakrobarti Report into antisemitism Labour are not doing enough to sort out the antisemetsm in the party..

Ridiculous head in the sand, fingers in the ear syndrome.

Anniebach

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The persistent denial of anti Semitic in the LP by some people never ceases to shock me. Denial doesn’t make it not so. As for the suggestion there is a thin line between anti Zionism and anti semitism, the first time I heard that statement, it came from Jewish friends