Breakaway Labour MP’s

So what do you suggest needs to be done POGS do you think this very public announcement will do anything? Of course it won't. Apart from fuelling the very dodgy and still debatable accusations.
It might help if you could at least acknowledge the very delicate relationship that exists between those passionate about supporting the Palestinian cause and anti-semitism, and the uses being made of this by some people.
You won't because anti-semitism sounds so much better if you don't qualify it and acknowledge the real difficulties.
I wholeheartedly condemn any anti-semitism that is deliberately and obviously aimed at Jewish people and their rights.
However I understand that some people find it difficult to accept the treatment of the Palestinian people and may in supporting them slip into what might be seen as anti-semitism, but they do so for valid reasons. For example people have advocated boycotting M&S they do so because they believe M&S are selling goods under Made in Israel labels which were actually produced in the occupied territories.But for many this will be regarded as anti-semitic. I don't think it is anything to do with Judaism but with the Palestinaian people.

But it's certainly true that many people confuse Zionism with anti-semitism.

It's perfectly possible to disagree with what Israel are doing without being deemed anti-semitic, but that is frequently not the case. My own father has been vilified many times in letters in the AJR (Associations of Jewish Refugees) because of his strong opposition to Israel's policies. Other members of my family also. It's vital that a distinction is made. Oh, and we are all of us Labour Party members and support JC as leader - apart from his stance on Brexit!

Breaking news :
John McDonnell has just said these 7 were voted into the HoC under a Labour banner. He said they will bring by elections forward to challenge them.
Chukka May live to regret this....

There definitely should be by-elections in those constituencies. Surely the 7 knew this was on the cards.

Chukka may lose his seat but doesn’t mean he will regret his decision to leave the party, his principles have come first , some would sell their souls to keep their seats

trisher you put it far better than I could!

Momentum will now move into the seven constituencies.

Rowantree do you and your family believe the holocaust was exaggerated, a close friend of Corbyn’s does

trisher

'Apart from fuelling the very dodgy and still debatable accusations.'

There you go again, DENIAL.

' It might help if you could at least acknowledge the very delicate relationship that exists between those passionate about supporting the Palestinian cause and anti-semitism, and the uses being made of this by some people.

You won't because anti-semitism sounds so much better if you don't qualify it and acknowledge the real difficulties.'

What a stupid comment and makes out you' know ' my stance on the Palestinian situation.

You can make as many excuses and deflections away from the fact there is a problem in the Labour Party with antisemitism, bullying and harassment.

I repeat you have your head in the sand and your fingers in your ears.

Rowantree

Out of interest are you too of the opinion there is no problem with antisemitism in the Labour Party.?

My family are victims of the holocaust Anniebach so I hardly think I'm going to think it was exaggerated.
I'm quite sure there are people out there who think the holocaust was exaggerated, across the social spectrum and regardless of party, class or culture. However, Jeremy Corbyn is not anti-semitic. But some Jews regard anti-Zionists as anti-semitic. That is a fact.

I used to live in Anne Coffey's constituency. I voted for her because she was a representative of the Labour Party, not for her as an individual. If she is no longer representing the Labour Party then there should be a by election, in Stockport and in the constituencies of the other six MPs.

Rowantree is perfectly correct in what she says about the confusion between zionism and anti-semitism, and does not deserve nasty little comments as a consequence of saying so.

I think most of it's been whipped up by the media and those confusing anti-semitism with anti-Zionism POGS. Undoubtedly there will be a few racists, as there unfortunately are in all parties, and they should be expelled if this is proven to be anti-semitism. This issue has been blown up by some of the media to discredit Corbyn as other attempts have so far failed.

Anecdotally I have never experienced any anti-semitism in the Labour Party, nor has any of my family or anyone we know personally who is Jewish. That can't be said of some of our experiences in the wider world.

Given Rowan’s Jewish heritage ab why did you ask her that insulting question about holacust denial in her family - just to get in another JC jibe? Cheap shot. I don’t know any Jews ( and that’s across the spectrum from ultra orthodox to secular) who deny the Holocaust and I would never ask them that question either. Shame on you

crossed posting POGS I was not referring to your comment.

The Blairites who have decided to resign (?) have more in common with the tories than with Labour so that would without doubt work .
They haven't REALLY resigned though ,if they had they'd call by elections and let their constituents decide if they wanted New New LABOUR or were happier with a more socialist labour party ,you know like the OLD labour party

Absolutely ilovecheese but JC haters think they are immune from criticism

Thank you, Ilovecheese. I was actually quite upset by Anniebach's comment.

Thank you also maryeliza.

I am feeling rather shaken

If you look at the voting history of the MPs on the list they have supported a number of Tory bills, including those supporting austerity. Not even a centrist Labour attitude!

Re the never ending Anti-Semitism debate. Whilst there has always been, & will always be, racism, including anti- Semitism, there is sometimes a deliberate conflation between support for Palestine and anti-Semitism. Those opposed to JC use this support to discredit him. It happens.

I want to see robust challenge of any abuse based on race/religion wherever it happens. Anti-Semitism/racism diminishes us all.

Good grief, John MacDonald talking about ‘doing the honourable thing’
what - is he resigning? Or better, leaving politics?

he's a nasty, dangerous man.

Well said, PECS.

Slightly off-topic but my father is 92, and until recently has campaigned for Palestinian rights for as long as I can remember. He's had a lot of stick for it from some quarters, but he remains firm and he sees himself as Jewish BUT not a Zionist. Does that make him anti-semitic?

The persistent denial of anti Semitic in the LP by some people never ceases to shock me. Denial doesn’t make it not so
I find it shocking too Iam64 and very frightening in fact.

Rowantree you echo my experience. At my CLP our leading members are Jewish. They also take an active role in organising the local PSC events too! Not all of us are as partisan as others would think or seem to want us to be!

However, Jeremy Corbyn is not anti-semitic.
With respect, Rowantree, do you mean that you believe he is not anti-Semitic?
Other people may disagree from what they have seen and heard over many years.