Are those condeming the Labour Party confusing Anti Zionism with Anti Semetism

Annie do you have an opinion on Palestine. Instead of just repeating the same anti Corbyn slogans perhaps you could say if you believe Israel's government is rght to try to get rid of Palestinians and to allow settlements on land recognised internationally as Palestinian.

Corbynites United ?

You are so predictable, Annie.

I just don't like to see lies repeated over and over again.

PECS Deviating again

Maizie I have not lied or repeated lies

No Corbynite here either Annie SNP through to the bone

Corbynite ??? moi??? oh my- you obviously never read my posts then.

So Annie, do you believe the treatment of the Palestinians by Israel is humane, fair, right?

jura do you agree with Corbyn the wall mural was anti semetic ?

A senior Israeli rabbi says Tel Aviv should execute Palestinians instead of arresting them and “leave no one alive” in order to establish safety in the occupied Palestinian territories, Palestinian media report.

“Israeli army has to stop arresting Palestinians,” Shmuel Eliyahu said in a message posted on his Facebook page on Tuesday, adding, “but, it must execute them and leave no one alive,” Palestine News Network reported.

As chief rabbi of the city of Safed, Eliyahu is known for his racist behavior and remarks about Arabs and Muslims. He had earlier urged the Israeli regime to take “revenge” against Arabs in order to restore what he called Israel’s deterrence.

He also described Palestinians as the enemy of Israel and claimed that they “must be destroyed and crushed in order to end violence.”

Yes paddyann i know, I was referring to those who keep denying the wall mural was anti semetic

So pouring sewage on villages, burning their 1000 year crops, torture, keeping kids in prison, deliberately polluting water, etc, etc, etc - that is OK- but as long as the mural does not depict it. Hmmm

Simple question, was the wall mural anti semetic or was Corbyn lying

trisher

"The treatment of the Palestinian people and the acquisition of their land, an illegal act condemned by the UN and much of the world, has meant that people have had to take action and speak out. They are not speaking out about Jewish people they are speaking out about the actions of a government which refuses to implement UN rulings and ignores international requests. A state recognised by the UN should implement their rulings."
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That is not anti_semetic!

Being pro Palestinian is not the same as being Anti Semetic is it?

I have said on threads before I believe Israel is totally at fault over the occupied territory. That does not make me Anti Semetic. If I refuse to share a debate/platform with someone ' because they are of Jewish birth' I am in my opinion rightly accused of Anti Semitism. If I call somebody a ' Zio ' , a Ku Klux Klan prefered terminology I think that is tantamount to Anti Semitism is it not? Anti Semitism is on the rise , not only in the UK but in many other countries. I am concentrating on the widely reported problems facing Labour and our universities as this is an obvious area to discuss.

The question is about Anti Semitism not whether Israel is right or wrong, nor whether or not Palestinian groups such as Hamas are right or wrong. Both have their own issues and neither can be seen as saints .

It is NOT deviating Annie The post is about Zionism, Anti-Zionism and anti Semitism! How can asking about Israel's Zionist policies be deviation?

My father was born in Palestine as were his family for generations before him. Palestinian Christians, Muslims & Jews co-existed. At the time of the Nakba Palestine became fractured and the modern state of Israel formed.

I am not foolish enough to think we can go back to pre 1948 but I do believe all lands stolen illegally should be returned, with compensation. Freedom of movement from Gaza to the West Bank and into Israel needs to be re-established. The harassment of ordinary Palestinian people and the denial of their culture & history has to stop. It is a racism.

Those of us who believe strongly that Israel's current policies towards Palestine and the expansion of Israel are wrong and who support the humanitarian rights of Palestinians to go about their daily lives safely have every right to express our opinions clearly and assertively.

Because JC is someone who has been vocal in his support of Palestinians it has been easy to use accusations of anti- semitism against him when in fact he is Pro-Palestinian rights.

There will be racists and anti-semetic people within the ranks of any large political party. They need to have membership removed. I do not support racism of any sort.

I do not know how else to say it Anniebach You still just repeat your anti- Corbyn mantra and do not hear what I say nor answer any other comments!

It is so sad that UK was complicit in the birth of a country based purely on religious belief. History shows that this region was never exclusively Jewish. As a result of their continued land grab, zionists have unleashed misappropriated anger resentment and predjudice on the Jewish population throughout the world as well as horror at their treatment of their neighbouring countries.

Sorry.. I do not want to keep posting but POGS you cannot separate JCs support of Palestinian rights from the accusations levelled at him as an anti-Semite. The two are inextricably linked. Those who dislike him, politically, saw an Achilles Heel and have used it to their advantage and manipulated accusations.

This is not denial that there will have been racist incidents behaviour within the party. But JC is not racist. He is a rubbish leader.

Maizie I have not lied or repeated lies

You have, Annie.

You keep repeating that Corbyn liked the mural. He didn't say anything about liking it. You can see his comment. He just questioned why it should be whitewashed.

If you can't recognise that repeating what you are clearly inferring from his comment as the truth, rather than what was actually said, is lying I'm sorry. It does make it difficult to accept anything you say at face value.

Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the United Kingdom’s Labor party, said he was wrong, when in 2012, he supported an artist who had painted a mural in London that Corbyn now believes is anti-Semitic.
Corbyn, whose critics say has failed to confront the proliferation of anti-Semitism in the party since becoming its leader in 2015, said on Friday: “I sincerely regret that I did not look more closely at the image." Corbyn had instead focused more on defending the artist's artistic freedom in 2012.

BBC 25/3/2018

Jeremy Corbyn was embroiled in a fresh antisemitism row on Friday after conceding he was wrong to support a graffiti artist whose “offensive” work was scrubbed off a wall in London’s East End.

In a Facebook post in 2012, Corbyn offered his backing to Los Angeles-based street artist Mear One, whose mural, featuring several known antisemitic tropes, was due to be removed after complaints.

Guardian 23/2/2018

There are lies then there are "stained blue dress" type lies - ie obfuscation, at which Corbyn is quite the expert.

Jura

"Her conclusion is that the systematic attack of anyone who dares criticise what is happening to the Palestinians as antisemitic - is a clear STRATEGY."
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NO IT IS NOT. Only if there is an ignorance and lack of understanding of the difference between criticising a country and being racist towards the race /person of that particular country which for the Jewish people is namely antisemetitism.

There could of course be another possible 'STRATEGY' that those who completely deny antisemitism exists in the Labour Party and refuse to believe the Labour MP's/Councillors who are /have been reporting this happening try to conclude ' the systematic attack of anyone who dares criticise what is happening to the Palestinians as antisemitic - is a clear STRATEGY.'

So pouring sewage on villages, burning their 1000 year crops, torture, keeping kids in prison, deliberately polluting water, etc, etc, etc - that is OK- but as long as the mural does not depict it. jura
are you confusing anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism which is what the thread is about?

The mural did not depict Jewish people pouring sewage on villages etc and was nothing to do with that.

PECS

'Sorry.. I do not want to keep posting but POGS you cannot separate JCs support of Palestinian rights from the accusations levelled at him as an anti-Semite.'
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I have never called Corbyn anti-semetic.!

I do however believe Corbyn does bugger all to disassociate himself from those who do make known their antisemetic credentials known or share platforms with them and as far as the complaints from within his Party are concerned I think he has shown a total lack of care.

I am supportive of Palestinian rights but I am not antisemetic because I don't hold the entire Jewish race to be at fault.

I would not refuse to share a platform with somebody for example because they are of Jewish origin because that would be antisemetic in my opinion.

Thank you Jalima as I said, I didn’t lie

Jalima, read the OP, nothing to do with the mural.

No. Mentioning someone's jewishness in the context of implying they aren't trust worthy or good or just "other" is antisemitic not anti zionist.

Does that help?

Corbyn himself is careful to not be explicitly anti semetic. But his silence speaks volumes when it comes to what he will tolerate from others.

Sometimes, when you are in a position like his, leader of a group, not condemning DOES = condoning.

not condemning what is happening in Palestine equates to what exactly?