Are those condeming the Labour Party confusing Anti Zionism with Anti Semetism

trisher please do not patronise my views or the views of others whose opinions may not chime with yours.

There are people who equate Zionism with anti-semitism; there are those who don't.

I still believe there are others who use "anti-Zionism" as a convenient term to disguise what is, in fact, anti-Semitism.

I believe Corbyn may well be one of those people. If there is a difference between the terms, I do not believe that JC has the intellect or self-awareness to see it.

The Legue of Nations terrorists ?

Well it is often said oldglimmer1 that we see our own faults in others.
Annie the UN recognised Israel. It was founded by a group of people who used bombs, killed and injured others to establish it. I recognise their need to make a state for themselves but they were what is now accepted as terrorists.. Look up Irgun to find out what they did.

A reaction to the holocaust? A fuss about nothing i suppose,

As far as I understand what 'antisemitism' means Anniebach has drawn the line of what is not acceptable.

"does calling a woman ‘ a Jew Whore’ and telling her she needs shagging and strangling at the same time’ mean just a defence of Palestine ? Or telling a Jew f**k off to your tribe in Israel is a defence of Palastine ?"

I cannot imagine any member of parliament or any normally respectable person using that language. It's absurd to accuse Mr Corbyn of antisemitism.

Alexa where do those quotes come from?
Other MPs?

By posting what was said to a Jew does not draw a line on what is acceptable, anti semetism is racist .

I chose those abusive words hoping women here would agree no woman should be subjected to such abuse, it seems they were acceptable.

I am sure there are many very peaceful Israelis who disapprove of Mr Netanyahu's stated intention to allow and foster Israeli settlements , including by American immigrants, on the West Bank on land which the Israeli military took by force from Palestinian owner occupiers.

Of course I agree Anniebach and your example was well chosen.

Fennel, what quotes? Anniebach quoted and that's the first time I have read them.

So that makes anti semetism in the Corbyn Momentum party acceptable? It does not

Annie if you can show evidence that any of the abuse you have quoted has been dismissed or ignored then you are right but as far as I can see any abuse is being dealt with. If the perpetrator is a member of the LP they will be dealt with, if it is a member of the public then that will be dealt with by the police. Have you any proof that these unacceptable abusive sayings have been ignored?

We all know the holocaust was the worlds darkest hour BUT we cant allow Israel to visit the same horrors on others without action being taken against them A get out of jail card shouldn't be an option and they must be made to comply with the UN resolutions they invariably ignoore .THAT is not anti semitism...or pro palestinian just simple humanitarian ...these people in Palestine had been there for centuries before Israel existed and have been forcibly removed from homes that were theirs for generations to allow expansion that wasn't in the original plans.They MUST be stopped .

trisher read POGS. posts

Anniebach
I am interested to understand why you continue to refer the the 'Freedom for Humanity' mural as proof of Corbin's anti semetism when it is confirmed that only two of the men represented in the mural are (were) actually Jews.
They are:
Walter Rothschild
JD Rockerfella
JP Morgan
Andrew Carnegie
Paul Warburg and also Aleister Crowley.
The image is intended to depict Western Capitalism.

There are many cariacatures around most depict politicians and others with exaggerated noses. Should the ones of Margaret Thatcher with an enormous beak be decryed as anti-christian?
I think that true anti semetic actions (which cannot be denied) are being harmed by those who try to use this predjudice as a political tool.

If the wall mural wasn’t anti semetic why did Corbyn say , after posting his liking of it

‘ I sincerely regret I did not look closely at the image I was commenting on, the contents of which are deeply concerning and anti semetic’

after posting his liking of it

He didn't say that he liked it, Annie. He was querying why it should be censored by its removal.

There is a screen shot of his comment here:

news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-slammed-by-labour-mps-for-criticising-removal-of-anti-semitic-mural-11301595

Nowhere does it say he 'liked' it.

As Joelsnan says, it did not portray only Jews. Which makes it questionable as to whether or not it was purely antisemitic. The message was anti-capitalist (though what Aleister Crowley was doing in there I can't think. He was an occultist)

Corbyn said it was anti semetic, so he wasn’t being truthful

But he didn't say he liked it, Annie. Which is what I was responding to.

How you can assert that Corbyn tells lies when you do it yourself is beyond my understanding.

The quotes were from an unhinged right-winger, in social media blogs, who was imprisoned as a result. In 2016.
"The Old Bailey was told that Bonehill-Paine, 23, posted five “hateful and insulting” articles about the woman he blamed for the jailing of a far-right extremist he regarded as a comrade."
It was disgusting, and frightening for the woman, blatant antisemitism.

2014, not that it matters.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Bonehill-Paine
What can be done about these far-right horrors?

hear hear Paddyann. What is happening in Palestine is just shameful and must be stopped. Saying that is NOT antisemitic- at all.

I was listening to day to a Jewish woman on French TV, from Jews for Peace. She explained how important a Jewish State was, post war, for her father and his generation. But she totally abhorrs how the Holocaust is now used as an 'excuse' for taking the territory of an other people, the siege the palestinians are under, their land trashed, the water willfully polluted, the land and millenial olive trees burnt- the 7000 prisoners, including many children, the torture. And how any criticism of this if automatically called anti-semitic- how it is taboo to discuss this.

Her conclusion is that the systematic attack of anyone who dares criticise what is happening to the Palestinians as antisemitic - is a clear STRATEGY.

Mandela was indeed a terrorist - but the question is, what choice did he have? Same for the Palestinians. Very fine line between soldier, freedom fighter and terrorist- for sure.

Corbynites United ?

Good post Jura2

Anniebach
I certainly am not a Corbynite!