Are those condeming the Labour Party confusing Anti Zionism with Anti Semetism

In what context jura?

Joe bloggs doing his shopping isnt condoning it by not mentioning it

The LEADER of the labour party however IS demonstrating his own values via what he does and doesn't find acceptable within his own party!

the human context- quite simply.

youtu.be/U9aJzuLf1W0

Corbyn found this acceptable, he even greeted the chap after the meeting

The piece Jalima quoted did not justify you at all, Annie. Nowhere does it say that Corbyn liked the mural. That's what I'm calling you out on.

Corbyn had instead focused more on defending the artist's artistic freedom in 2012.

You can defend the 'artistic freedom' of something you dislike intensely. What is so difficult to understand about that?

It’s widely accepted that all the problems with anti-semitism
Within the rank and file of the LP has mushroomed under the last few years of Corbyn’s leadership.
He is the problem.

He certainly is lemon

Confusing anti semetism with anti Zionism ?

youtu.be/73IgjhNsuRw

I haven’t seen a single poster here who hasn’t condemned the land grab, the actions of the Israeli government towards the Palestinian people. Yet any suggestion the anti semitism is on the increase, that the LP has a problem, seems to be denied.
Israel wasn’t founded because of a religion, as one poster suggested. The Jewish people were driven from Palestine, then driven from most of the countries they arrived in. The pigeons in Eastern Europe that preceded the holocaust were already leading many Jewish peopke to believe they would on,y be safe if the returned to what the believed to be their homeland.
Like everyone here I’m sure, I’d like to see truth and reconciliation. The world seems to be moving away from peace rather than towards it.

Pogroms Iam ? although the pigeons may not have helped.Phones and iPads eh?

THEY may hav ebelieved it to be their homeland ,but what about the pther people whose homeland it has been for centuries? We cant and shouldn't dismiss them ,they have every much as much right to live there in peace as the ISRAELI POPULATION.Thats what has to be addressed .

It would be great if posters on all political sides agreed that the LP has a problem ( it does) and just go on to say that they sincerely hope that from now on in ....it will be severely dealt with.

Paddynan, no one denies the complexity, the Palestinians right to their homeland. Are you denying Jewish people any rights are you suggesting, as some do, that Israel should be blown from the face of the earth.
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Of course not but they must comply with UN resolutions and stop the atrocities they commit daily .Its not beyond the Israeli government to find a peaceful solution that doesn't attempt to destroy the people who have lived there for centuries .Surely the very fact they have suffered so much would show them that treating others the same way is just wrong .Or do I have too much faith in the human race ?

Considering they have been persecuted for centuries they have no cause to have faith in the human race ?

So annie are you saying that Jewish persecution allows them to to now ignore the humanitarian rights of another group of human beings and treat them badly?

No PECS. Paddyann spoke of faith in the human race, I questioned would the Jewish race have cause to have faith in the human race after suffering persecution for centuries , I have no idea if the answer is yes, no , perhaps or perhaps not.

I meant MY faith in the human race.I've always believed there are far more good people in the world than bad.I know if I've had a tough time ( I know it wasn't the holocaust) I'd hate to see others have the same problems .
I dont believe anyone is born EVIL ,its all circumstances and environment that causes someone to act badly .

I do understand the older generation in Israel having a persecution complex but I think that the indoctrination of the younger generations is very wrong .No one can ever move forward if they hold on so tightly to the past ...thats the good and the bad in the past .Time to let it go?

paddyann

Indoctrination? Do you not know the history of the Scots ? yes have their own country but did you never learn of the history of your kin? . indoctrination?

I know the history of the Welsh, indoctrination?

The Irish , indoctrination?

It is natural to learn the history of our own race

No * Annie* paddyann is not talking about learning cultural history and political history. Of course that is not wrong.
She is, I think, referring to the active propaganda that Israeli policies allow that dehumanise the Palestinian people. When government ministers talk openly about murdering people & making hatred of a cultural group mainstream..that is indoctrination.

Indeed how I read paddyanns's comments- and totally agree.

paddyann

Believing the Israeli government is wrong to illegally expand occupied territories is not being antisemitic is it? It is stating a fact or opinion

Posters keep repeating the fact not one poster has said anything other.

Do you have an opinion as to why antisemitism, intimidation and harassment is so widely reported by Labour MP'/Councillors over the past 3 years ' prior to ' the EU Referendum.?





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So on the one hand we have Corbyn (and I am NO Corbynite) not condemning a mural... and then there is this

''A senior Israeli rabbi says Tel Aviv should execute Palestinians instead of arresting them and “leave no one alive” in order to establish safety in the occupied Palestinian territories, Palestinian media report.

“Israeli army has to stop arresting Palestinians,” Shmuel Eliyahu said in a message posted on his Facebook page on Tuesday, adding, “but, it must execute them and leave no one alive6,” Palestine News Network reported.

As chief rabbi of the city of Safed, Eliyahu is known for his racist behavior and remarks about Arabs and Muslims. He had earlier urged the Israeli regime to take “revenge” against Arabs in order to restore what he called Israel’s deterrence.

He also described Palestinians as the enemy of Israel and claimed that they “must be destroyed and crushed in order to end violence.”

“If they don’t stop after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand. And if they do not stop after 1,000, then we must kill 10,000. If they still don’t stop we must kill 100,000, even a million,”1 the Jerusalem Post quoted him as saying in 2007.
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No comparison is there?

POGS I have put forward a different perspective about the focus on Anti Semitism within LP on more than one occasion. However it has been ignored and the anti Corbyn memes have been repeated ad infinitum.
If people are not open to reflection or in considering another point of view..or even just acknowledging it might be a possibility .. these threads just bat back and forth!

absolutelyPecs history and culture is fine,propgataing hatred against others isn't

jura
Re your point :-

' Her conclusion is that the systematic attack of anyone who dares criticise what is happening to the Palestinians as antisemitic - is a clear STRATEGY."
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I answered that point but I remembered somebody else shared my opinion. She is possibly one of my least favourite politicians with a flare for saying one thing one minute and another the next minute but EMILY THORNBERRY said this at the Labour Conference in Liverpool and it came into my mind thinking of your post. She said this ( extracts ):-

“Let me speak to you from the depths of my heart and my soul and say something I never thought I’d have to say in my lifetime as a Labour member and activist, and it is simply this - that if we want to root out fascism and racism and hatred from our world, and from our country, then we must start - we must start - with rooting it out of our own party.

“But I know as well, and we must all acknowledge, that there are sickening individuals on the fringes of our movement, who use our legitimate support for Palestine as a cloak and a cover for their despicable hatred of Jewish people, and their desire to see Israel destroyed.

“Those people stand for everything that we have always stood against and they must be kicked out of our party the same way Oswald Mosley was kicked out of Liverpool.”

She was saying ' do not ' use support for Palestinians as a cloak for antisemitism.