Are those condeming the Labour Party confusing Anti Zionism with Anti Semetism

Jalima The last para in my post is referring to people who are pro-Zionist. If you are not it does not refer to you!

PECS I have stopped posting on political threads because the degree of prejudice and the constant negation of any other issues and the continuing attacks on Corbyn and the Labour party have convinced me that it is useless to try and discuss anything with any degree of objectivity or reason. But I wanted to say that you have expressed it so well. I think the oppression of the Palestinian people has struck a chord with so many young people. The thing that really causes me distress however is that the historical evidence shows that no matter what is done an oppressed people will continue to keep their identity and will continue to fight for their rights and the only route to a peaceful future is through negotiation and recognition. Something Jeremy Corbyn has been internationally recognised for. This will I know lead to more accusations of "Corbynista", but I simply acknowledge that those who award peace prizes have more information about international events than I do and are not as prejudiced as some posters. That's it. If the usual suspects want now to post their usual prejudices they can do so. I am in an Americanism "out of here"

Pecs. You said to me ‘ it feels like you want Palastine off the map’.

I am sorry you don't want to post on political threads any more Trisher, but I do understand how you feel. The constant attacks on the new leadership of the Labour Party are wearisome and so repetitive that it becomes pointless to try and express a different point of view. So often there is no discussion as such, just a string of assertions, or twisting of people's words.

"I have stopped posting on political threads because the degree of prejudice and the constant negation of any other issues and the continuing attacks on Corbyn and the Labour party have convinced me that it is useless to try and discuss anything with any degree of objectivity or reason.*
trisher - me too.
As well as the fact that there are so many other relevant historical and religious aspects to the Israel/Palestine issue, Too many to cover in a forum like this.

The Labour Party has asked Chris Williamson to apologise for his comments , MP’s want more than an apology, Corbyn’s chance to show he is against anti semetism in the party, will be act or defend his close friend

trisher and fennel your reasoned arguments will be missed and these threads the poorer for your exit.

I agree it’s impossible to get a reasoned discussion going forewards. Those few in the right who are willing to exchange views are not enough to balance those who are convinced only their view has merit.

MP Chris Williamson has been suspended from the Labour Party.

I disagree Anja !
In fact, think the opposite.
What a cheek to say posters are too prejudiced, whaaaat?
Nobody has said anything about Palestine, it’s a red herring anyway because we all know that anti-Zionism has nothing to do with ( or shouldn’t) anti-Semitism.
To deny there is much anti-semitism within the LP as a few posters are doing is plain silly, blinkered and dangerous, as it is exactly that mindset that allowed allowed anti- semitism to proliferate within Labour, under the weak leadership of Corbyn.
I hope that posters who are miffed and will now not contribute posts to this thread will think about the whole situation again, and not with a ‘how dare they say this about my beloved Party’ attitude.

Sorry premature posting "in anti-semitism row"

I disagree lemongrove!

The fact that for you there is no link between JCs known support for Palestine and a sudden focus on anti-Semitism in LP is a bit of a whaaaat! moment for me !

Before he was LP leader he was recognised and has a long record as a person who stood up against all forms of racism, including anti-Semitism. His promotion of negotiated solutions rather than aggression & conflict is internationally recognised. Hence the Peace Awards.

I do not think there is any more racism in LP under JC than before. What there is needs to be routed out and denounced. (I do keep saying that!) I do think it has been reported more and that some have defended inappropriately. However I also believe that some accusations against JC are manipulated purely to discredit him.

I still think he is a rubbish leader.

Those few in the right
Do you mean right wing or do you mean those posters who know they are always right Anja?

Chris Williamson has been an accident waiting to happen for a long time. No surprise that his loose cannon mentality has finally got him suspended.

Williamson was told to apologise which he did, but pressure was put on the bosses and only then was he suspended. As a close friend of Corbyn will Corbyn speak of it .

He should have been suspended immediately, he has also been stopped having his film night he had arranged to show a film by Jacky Walker, she was suspended some time
ago. For anti semetic comments. She use to be vice chair of
Momentum and it was at a Momentum meeting Williamson made his speech. Anti semetism at the top !

PECS .... what I think is that Corbyn’s perceived ( and real)
Support for Palestine makes some in the LP think anything to do with Israel ( ie.Jewish people) is bad and allows them to indulge their anti-semitism.
The real problem is that Corbyn hasn’t done enough to try and pursuade them otherwise, which gives the nod to it all.
There are hundreds of cases waiting to be looked at and in spite of them saying last year that it would all be speeded up
It hasn’t been.
Corbyn may or may not be anti-semitic himself, but he has provided a green light to those who are.

If a politician or anyone wants to further peaceful resolutions then that person needs to speak to both sides.

Very true!

lemongrove thank you for your reasoned response.
I have been disappointed that JC has not been more frequently vocal in his condemnation of any anti-Semitism. He has spoken out & has not ignored it. He should just say it more often. This is the JC I hoped would bring a fresh hope.

home.bt.com/video/labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-condemns-anti-semitism-at-may-day-rally-91364057619983

So vocal he hadn’t spoken to Luciana in two years,

So vocal he was lost for words when Ruth Smeeth was driven from a meeting distressed and being verbally abused,
But found his voice to greet the Momentum activist who had verbally abused her.

The peace maker who only speaks to one side where there is strife ?

I’m away, lucky me, with intermittent WiFi.
PECS and lemon, your posts stood out when I did a quick catch up - thanks ?

When does the penny drop?

It is not antisemitic to say Israel is wrong for example when it comes to taking land it is not entitled to.

It is antisemitic to attack a Jewish person, the Jewish race as a generalisation.

Within the Labour Party for 3 years + there has been report after report by Labour MP's and Councillors of a rise in antisemitism, harassment, bullying and intimidation. The common denominator is the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum/Corbyn Labour Leadership.

The denial , the refusal to listen, watch and here the truth has been the domain of those who see it all as a conspiracy to attack their leader , Corbyn. When a poster states as she did on a currently running thread '. Probably the worst thing about the party under Corbyn is that the MPs are not intimidated enough because they are speaking out. ' you know there is a problem.

It is the Labour Party itself that has been the accuser of the rise in antisemitism within it's membership. For 3 years + Corbyn and his ' team ' who are now in control of the Labour Party have produced what is being called ' White Wash ' inquiries by Baronesse Chakrabarti and Jenny Formby . Corbyn and his ' team ' have held the trump card over the allegations of antisemitism , ' POWER '

I am no fan of Tom Watson and I have many times given my reason why but I genuinely think with the party seeing MP's ' ' at last ' having the guts to act and sit as Independents Tom Watson is also acting on his own views and condemnation of what he has said over the years with regard to Antisemitism and bullying within the Labour Party.

There is a disconnect between the far left and the centre left/centre of Labour and that has been the case for decades. The return to the far left / Marxist Corbyn Leadership of the Labour Party and it's new and return membership has changed the soul of Labour and that is what is at the heart of the matter and when the ' POWER ' shifted to the far left what followed was a rise in antisemitism, intimidation, harassment and bullying.

POGS so true

slightly relevany - I was reading up about the 1936 battle of Cable Street and found this report of the 80th year comemmoration.:
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/sep/25/80-anniversary-battle-of-cable-street-celebrated
It mentions that it would be addressed by Jeremy Corbyn.
My father in law was there as a teenager - he was terrified.

1936.

1941 was the start of the Holocaust

2016 anti semetism is on the rise again

Communists were some of the first victims of the Nazis because thy supported the Jewish community.