Are those condeming the Labour Party confusing Anti Zionism with Anti Semetism

POGS I have left these useless threads so will you please stop using my posts as quotes out of context The remark you have quoted was about why there were MPs leaving the party now when none did under Blair although many disagreed with him. I would be grateful if you could at least quote me in context. As far as any reasonable or informed debate I don't expect it on here now. I will say that this continued emphasis on anti-semitism in the Labour Party in spite of all the actions that have been taken, while there are working people homeless and using food banks,while homeless people are dying and disabled people are having their benefits taken away makes me think of 1984, but Orwell was wrong, you don't need to change the language to control people, you just need to keep them distracted about something. Meantime you can do as you choose. Poor people don't matter.

What has that to do with anti semitism now PECS

2019 and anti semetism is a problem in the Labour Party,
I have never known racism in the labour before 2016

So dismiss anti semetism and concentrate on other things,
Racism is evil, fact.

Trisher it is quite possible to care about homelessness AND anti-anti-Semitism

....unless you believe the Corbyn myth that anyone who criticises him ever hates the poor and the sick! Talk about propoganda!

trisher

You say it you own it and I am not surprised you are annoyed your words are repeated as they were so telling.

I did not mention you by name on this thread by the way you have brought attention to yourself.

Yes I repeated your words because they sum up how some people think and how it aligns with the subject of antisemitism, intimidation , harassment in the Labour Party. You made a classic statement very much on the lines of Labour MP Chris Williams who said :-

' I have got to say I think our party's response has been partly responsible for that because in my opinion… we have backed off far too much, we have given too much ground, we have been too apologetic."

He got suspended from the party as we know.

Diane Abbott’s local party have passed a motion questioning institutional anti semetism.

45 votes to 35 votes, 14 abstentions, Ms Abbott didn’t speak,

Suppose like Corbyn at the wreath laying ceremony for terrorist, a case of ‘I was there but I don’t know if I was involved’

Annie what are your last 3 posts all about?

I was commenting on your list of dates and pointing out that the Holocaust was not only about the annihilation of Jews but communists too ( & homosexuals, gypsies etc... anyone in fact who did not fit the Aryan ideal) Relevant to the anti-left wing views held by some today.

I agree with your statement that racism is evil. Not sure what your first sentence means in that same post?

"Daniel L. Staetsky, a Senior Research Fellow for the Institute for Jewish Policy Research, stated in his 2017 study Antisemitism in Contemporary Great Britain: A Study of Attitudes Towards Jews and Israel that in the 1980s parts of the political left assumed strong pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel positions, and faced accusations of antisemitism in the Labour Party.[42] "

I do not post the above because I am pleased about it but simply to illustrate that there was , well before JC was Leader, anti-Semitism within the Labour Party. Just because you were not aware of it Annie does not been that it did not happen. It needs to be sorted and routed out.

Needs to be sorted and routed out trisher , so you accept it does exist in the party

Oh dear - my link about the 80th anniversary of Cable St, was meant to point out that JC is not an anti-semite. Because he was asked to speak.
But I can see it was ignored by most.

Fennel Corbyn was asked to speak? He has been asked to act too. He does the former but not the latter,

Annie - I will never agree with you on this.

True Fennel, you want to defend him, I cannot

Corbyn has tweeted a video made by Momentum, defending the Rothschilds, seems anti semites use the Rothschilds to stir up hatred angainst Jews.

When i posted about that vile wall mural, there was a post defending it and claiming it was not about Jews, a list of names were posted explaining who the figures in the wall mural were depicting, one was a Rothschild !

If it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck then it is a duck, not a swan, a chicken or other else. We should not condone anti Semitism by calling it any other name.

Foxyloxy
What is your definition of anti-semetism?

I agree. I have posted all over facebook and the internet asking for EVIDENCE/EXAMPLES of what Corbyn and his crew have done. No one has submitted any. This is all a fit-up. Socialism is NOT wanted and this is what is behind it all. MPs including Tom Watson are two-faced rotten slime to go against their leader.

Perhaps people on here will publish clear evidence. So if you are sacked and go to a Tribunal on a charge of "racism" antisemitism ... you are innocent but found guilty because they say.. "well, if it looks like a Duck....." is that OK?? I dont think so. The aim is to shut down free speech so that Israel.. the criminal Netanyahu, can do what he pleases.

Fennel, I agree. Why should Corbyn be on the defensive when he has done nothing wrong. He has a party secretary and team who deal with disciplinary matters. That's it. We are in an era when accusations - often lie with no evidence - are deliberately plied to bring people down.

Corbyn and his crew ? not Corbyn and the Labour Party

Sums it up perfectly, there was the Labour Party now there is Corbyn’s crew.

There is an orchestrated anti -Corbyn campaign. No doubt about that in my mind. Despite people saying he is not able enough to be a senior politician some people, both within LP and in other places , are afraid of him & his commitment to socialism and indeed for his pro- Palestinian views. The increase in LP membership showed their was a section of the electorate who supported his views.
Those right of centre..in and out of LP... have worked hard to discredit him. But actually very little " dirt" about him personally has been found. Instead they have used anti - Semitism, which exists everywhere, to beat him with..even though there is no evidence against JC .
There are many examples of JC clearly condemning anti- Semitism throughout his life..which are ignored by his detractors.
I am still disappointed he has not been more visible in his challenge to current accusations.
I repeat that wherever racist attitudes & behavoiurs against any minority group exist, it need to be challenged and any individuals investigated.

Corbyn a victim ?

no human being is immune from becoming a victim of hate.

Suppose he is line to be crucified

Johno

There has been plenty of ' evidence ' provided for 3 years + even on GN but either you are another one with fingers in ears and head in sand or you would say it is a ' conspiracy ' anyway!

As Cable Street has been mentioned.

I have heard many Labour MP mentioning fondly how proud they are/were Labour stood beside those on Cable Street . The sad thing is they follow up with something like ' ' What happened to that party , the Labour Party I loved '.

Move forward to the 80th anniversary of Cable Street in 2016 and I think was a good article at the time.

www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2016/oct/06/cable-street-labour-chakrabarti-report-zionism-antisemitism

I especially like the last paragraph.:-

'. Cable Street teaches us that the labour movement must completely unshackle itself from the prejudices expressed by Proudhon and Bakunin. It is one thing to savour the memory of marching down Cable Street against the British Union of Fascists 80 years ago. But if today you find yourself marching down Oxford Street in solidarity with the antisemitic Islamists of Hamas and Hezbollah, then you need to stop what you are doing, turn around, and start marching in the opposite direction.'