Shemima Begum

Yes Trisher, was it not bad enough that we dumped our criminals abroad, that we made paedophile/addict/violent Lords and aristocrats "disappear" by "gifting" them property overseas on outposts where they were free to inflict unlimited misery....

...but now we STILL take the same approach, make our problems someone elses. Wash our hands. Who cares if children are still being radicalised here, not our problem we can just disown them later

And IS arent the only people watching our actions. These countries we dump our problems on may think twice before being our allies in the future!

I wonder what would have been said if she was an English Rose with a fine upstanding British family, then it would have been a child making a mistake and worthy of taking back into the fold
Well, one could not call Jack Letts an 'English Rose' but no-one seems in a hurry to let him come home either.

I don't understand all the talk of 'Christian' values - we have a Home Secretary who made this decision who is Muslim.
Please could someone explain to me?

I agree with everything in your post POGS, however, I still do not believe that she should have been stripped of her citizenship when she did not have dual nationality. She was born in the UK and is a UK citizen.

I wonder what would have been said if she was an English Rose with a fine upstanding British family

Do you mean like "White Widow" Sally Jones - the former punk rocker who became the leading female IS recruitment officer - is believed to be alive and fighting for the militant group, according to reports"?

So far, she's not asked to be allowed back but I doubt very much that she would be welcomed back either.

It is understood (but not confirmed) that she was killed in 2017. She certainly has not been heard from since then.

Sajid Javid says the following of his religion
Religion. My own family's heritage is Muslim. Myself and my four brothers were brought up to believe in God, but I do not practise any religion. My wife is a practising Christian and the only religion practised in my house is Christianity.

I think I have also heard him describe himself as an atheist.

Would you describe those who were brought up catholics but ceased to be catholics as adults as catholics? (and there are many such on GN).

Jalima .....love that Mark Twain quote! it’s a timeless classic.

Making anyone stateless is wrong. Leaving our problems out of sight out of mind is wrong. Dumping our citizens who are criminals on others by disowning them is wrong....

.... However I wouldnt say it was "unchristian" since christian churches do have a history of posting their "problematic" preachers abroad on missions so they arent causing problems at home....

Two more British women have been stripped of their citizenship. It doesn't look as if the Home Secretary is backing down.

I was surprised that he had stripped two more women with children, given that the SB case is subject to an appeal.

But unless I miss-heard the news, it seems they were stripped by Amber Rudd. I wonder how she now feels about that?

MOnica I was brought up a Catholic but the nuns finished me off. I class myself now as an atheist.

Precisely, so if anyone described you as a catholic, you would be very irritated.The same applies to Sajid Javed

Apart from weddings and funerals I have not been in or remotely close to a church since I was 17 and that was not exactly yesterday. I did not get married in a church because I do not like double standards. Sorry, I have wobbled off piste.

Never mind SJ's religion or lack of it. We have a Prime Minister who makes a very public show of weekly church-going, And this is the woman who, as Home Secretary, advocated 'a really hostile environment' to immigrants.

I wonder with Amber Rudd’s decision whether the 2 women might have had dual nationality?

The other women who have had their British citizenship removed were named by the Sunday Times as two sisters, Reema Iqbal, 30, and Zara Iqbal, 28, who are said to have five sons under the age of eight between them and have been widowed after their husbands died fighting for Islamic State.

The sisters, from Canning Town in east London, are believed to be living in separate Syrian camps, where tens of thousands of people have have flocked amid the disintegration of the “Isis caliphate”.

Someone further up the thread said
I don't understand all the talk of 'Christian' values - we have a Home Secretary who made this decision who is Muslim.

I felt this error needed to be corrected. It is germane to the discussion.

The Home Office is in an awkward position anyway, let one back and about 200 more will follow------do we want that ? As it is our security system isn't exactly on the ball to have allowed SB to travel on her sister's passport. How does her sister apply for another ? With difficulty I imagine.

They all relinquished their passports when they chose to go to Syria to fight.

The Home Office is in an awkward position anyway, let one back and about 200 more will follow--

Just because its "awkward" to have them back (to say the least) doesnt make it okay to cause even bigger problems for other countries by landing them with standed stateless criminals o

If the answer to the terrorism problem is for every country to remove the citizenship of anyone suspected of terrorism who leaves the country, the number of stateless people marooned in the middle east with no where to go will soon amount to 10,000 or more.

Exactly how is that going to help combat terrorism? Keeping them altogether, getting more and more disaffected, feeding on each others hate and trying to find a space for themselves. It will not take long for them to find someone -Al Quaida, the Russians, ISIS elsewhere, to find ways of getting money, guns and ammunition to them and the ISIS Caliphate will start expanding again.

The safest course of action, little though we may like it, is to send them back to their countries of origin, make sure they pass through the criminal system, deradicalise where possible and then keep tabs on them.

annodomini ......are you quite sure about that statement?
That Theresa May said ( when in HO) that a hostile environment would be created for immigrants?
Sure that she didn’t say ‘illegal immigrants’ ?
Which would be a different matter entirely.

Why can't SB go and live with her father ? He was the one who beggared off and left the family in a mess while happily blaming this government for her going to Syria in the first place. Cheeky individual.

Part of me thinks she should not be allowed back if only to show an example to others who may be inclined to replicate similar actions. But I also think she can be valuable in our understanding of radicalisation, especially in one so young. Mind sets need to be understood & maybe laws have to change for the protection of all

Ellan I think her Father lives in Bangladesh with a new wife!

I don't care if he lives in Timbuktu lemongrove, he's got a cheek blaming this government when he doesn't even live here. SB's Bangladeshi isn't she ? So why doesn't he have her if he's so concerned about her welfare ?

SB remains to be the" property" of her Jihadi husband so she's not likely to conform to British rule whose values are different to hers/theirs.

Rape and sexual assault is the norm in the language of the jihadi's, it says so in the Quran-------Daily Mail.