No deal BREXIT.

andy
I think you would agree with what Cromwell said to parliament.
ye are grown intolerable odious to the whole nation

I thought you might just have a tiny amount of empathy without being so nasty

thank you petra nice post

shame about the democracy in the UK

I expected more from the elected politicians and I was being ridiculous.

People keep on about democracy but serious question.....my MP represents an area that voted remain. Now should he do what his constituents wanted and oppose leaving or fold and do what the country in general voted? After all, he's supposed to represent his constituents not the whole country.

He should use his judgement and remember that it is his duty to do nothing which would damage the country and make his constituents worse off. That means Revoke Article 50 so we remain in the EU.

fabulous post great to hear

majority voted leave,, is it hard to understand..I get it

oh my heavens...the majority voted out... shall we have 1200 referendums to see if remain can every win

such fun

is that you?

www.facebook.com/JackWDart/videos/377652233068675/

It is remarkable how angry these Quitters are when they won the crooked referendum and have seen the government do everything they possibly can to do exactly what they said they wanted, ignoring the 49 million people in the UK who never voted for this Brexit nonsense.

They are like spoiled toddlers. The more you give into them, the angrier they get.

what is so bad, is that the other men behind him- said nothing and did nothing to stop his violent and crazy behaviour

I voted REMAIN and would have done so even without "project fear" of course the EU is not ideal but life outside will be worse. Immediately after the referendum to the £ dropped by about 20% though it has recovered as the prospect of No Brexit is a little more likely. Only 17 million out 44 million possible voters (49 million population). None of the 17 million envisaged what has happened or thought seriously about the Irish Border, who would subsidize the farmers, fill the gap in the NHS or replace the regional fund which have benefited so many poorer parts of our country.

The right wing media and the government continue to peddle many lies and deny (well never mention) that well known fact that Vote Leave used unlawful tactics, lies and probably help from the Russians to influence the result. They just say us Remainers should shut up and be patriotic. Well we are patriotic putting the National interests above any party or extreme capitalist interests.

Brexit could legitimately simply be cancelled but some the 17 million would huff and puff. To show them that the probable majority has changed we have to have a second vote; this with no cheating and no outside interference.

The reality is that eventually TM will get her deal past parliament because it is the least worse option and we are all going to hate it because we’re trapped by the backstop.

Joe public just does not realize that whatever trade deals we make are going to be scrutinized by the EU, they can’t stop us making them but they can alter any tariffs to take account of them, so it is going to be a continuous “tit for tat” battle.

If any one believes there will be no border down the Irish Sea they are deluded. It’s far too easy to ship third country goods into Ireland change identity and say they’re from NI. Same will apply to people full customs checks will have to apply.

That’s how it will be, at least until the next GE

The least worst option is not the best option. The best option is to remain in the EU. It is still possible to revoke Article 50.

Really Varian, of all the options that is the least likely to come into being. TMs deal is not good but it is better than no deal and will enable us to move forward in an orderly way.

But what if May's 'deal' is defeated again next week, David?

It seems to me that the options then are: no deal', which Parliament would fight, or a long extension. Donald Tusk has said that a long extension would come with the proviso that we have another referendum...

You may be right that at this stage revoking Article 50 is unlikely, but it is not impossible and many believe it would be the best option. Why should we have to accept the "least bad option" when we know how much damage it would cause?

Obviously TM's deal is not as damaging as leaving with no deal, but it would mean a loss of our EU membership and we would never be able to rejoin on such favourable terms as we have now. I think our EU membership is worth fighting for, and we shall see on 23rd March how many others agree.

It doesn’t matter what people who march on the 23rd think
varian as others say, we will be leaving the EU and is a matter of sorting out how not if.
I think May’s deal should be accepted, it isn’t bad at all btw
And many of us will be happy with it.

I am shocked that lemongrove says "it doesn't matter what people who will be marching on the 23rd think"

We will represent the millions who want this brexit nonsense stopped for good and it does very much matter.

The latest poll showed a 12 point lead for Remain (when "don't knows" were eliminated). The result was 56% Remain, 44% Leave.

whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/?removed

TM may well get defeated again, any extension will come with conditions and be short term - 3months. The EU have control if it is longer we will have to elect European MPs, that is not a serious option. I suppose they could insist on a second vote but that would likely create more problems than it solves.

Eventually a majority of MPs will realize there is no alternative to a backstop deal even if it has to go to a fourth, fifth or tenth vote.

PS, I would love Brexit to be abandoned, I wonder what the odds are at the bookies, 100-1

Yes Davidhs I should have a bet if I were you, the odds are so long that if it was abandoned you would make your fortune.

You are easily shocked then varian as it doesn’t matter what anybody ‘thinks’ that will influence the outcome.

I do think that this has been a massive part of this debâcle- that Mrs May, ERG and Leavers- just totally believed that the 48 % did NOT matter, and could be totally ignored.

QED.

No, the massive part of this debacle is that TMay messed up
The last GE.
Had she had strong numbers in Parliament it would have gone her way much more easily.
The 48% had to accept the outcome.

Meanwhile today another March.

Tens of thousands of Catalan independence supporters are due to march through central Madrid today to renew their call for a vote on seceding from Spain.

The demonstration has been organised by two powerful civil society groups, the Catalan National Assembly (ANC) and Òmnium Cultural, around the slogan: “Self-determination is not a crime. Democracy is about deciding.”

Hundreds of coaches have been laid on to bring people to the capital from Catalonia andother parts of Spain.

Bit like next Saturday. Neither will achieve anything apart from voicing their protests.

I think that it would be foolish to predict anything at this stage, although I am becoming more optimistic about us remaining in the EU on 30th March. I am not a gambler, but for anyone who likes a bet, The Sun has helpfully supplied information about the betting odds.

What will happen next remains a mystery. Here are the odds as of March 16 on the various possible outcomes:

A second EU referendum in 2019: 5/2 (Ladbrokes and Coral)
2019 referendum and UK votes to Remain: 4/1 (Ladbrokes and Coral)
Theresa May still be PM on April 1, 2019: 1/25 (Paddy Power)
UK to Leave EU with no Brexit deal before April 1, 2019: 7/2 (Ladbrokes and Coral)
The UK to apply to rejoin the EU by 2027 (5/6 Paddy Power)

www.thesun.co.uk/news/8018307/what-brexit-odds-no-deal-latest-today/

Well...reading the Sun tells us all we need to know about the reader.