Theresa May must go

Thank you Annie

Pax

Anja you are out of order, TM failed to get agreement because there is no deal to be done. The Irish border issue is insoluble for political reasons and technical safeguards do not exist.

In any negotiations there is a point where no more concessions are made and each party either accepts that or goes their own way. The backstop deal is a poor compromise but did allow some scope for trade changes but no deal is going to be painful.

No deal will be a disaster !

Anja how nice of you posting on a thread to another poster you will pm her about me I'm sure this breaks GN rules.

I think that TM is doing her utmost to get a deal even though there are so many plotting against the progress and that Polly Toynbee is conditioned to slag her off. Really confused as to how the Falklands conflict has been dragged into this. There seem to be many people saying that TM is deluded. Pot calling kettle imho.

Theresa May's address to the nation last night seemed to be designed to set the general public against Parliament and all the MPs within it. That is a perilous strategy to carry out I believe, for, in the eyes of some it may be seen as encouraging not only verbal attack on those MPs but possibly also physical attack on those representatives.

Many MPs are already receiving threatening letters and emails in large numbers, therefore to heighten further the divisions within this country in regards to brexit is nothing short of totally foolish.

Theresa May has been undoubtedly under great psychological strain in the last few weeks, and I believe that her address last night called into question her mental stability.

Yes Grandad 1943, TM's speech was reckless in view of the fact that MPs are already receiving death threats.

I still don't understand why we cannot have a confirmatory referendum if Mrs May is allowed to ask the same question over and over again til she gets her way. This is not democracy. It is dictatorship. Her performance in the Commons yesterday was dreadful.

The serious possibility exists that everyone is misreading this. Not beyond the bounds that May has connived with the EU negotiators to get her BINO WA through.

May ran the clock down so the EU could issue the ultimatum last minute: May WA or No Deal.

EV maybe you could find it within yourself to give some credit to TB for the Good Friday agreement and the number of lives he has saved there; also it is not as if he swept into Iraq single-handed: UK about 45,000 US about 130,000

You can’t blame T May for telling it like it is!
Most people are not glued to PMQ’s as they are working ( or wouldn’t watch it anyway) so don’t always know what’s been going on in the HOC.
What she said in the address from Downing St was spot on.
There is a deal ready to be accepted and still the MP’s are dragging their feet on it, laughing and lolling about on the benches, exchanging rude comments and playing party politics and displaying self interest.They are, with a few exceptions no doubt, an absolute shower.

I didn’t say Blair did everything right, just his government did spend a lot on education which should be acknowledged. I didn’t say I agreed with the Iraq war, ( I went on the march) not sure how you linked that to saying he did do one or two good things. You could name any PM of what ever hue and point out some of the awful things they did- poll tax anyone? The current incumbent is probably the worst though.

Her cringy speech trying to shift blame and saying she “knows how we feel” - she has worked hard to achieve naff all.

Nicenanny, I have never repeated anything I have received in a PM but now I must.

Anya didn’t PM me about you, she kindly explained I had made an error , I had misread her post, she did so by PM rather than disrupt the thread ,

Blair built new schools, brought in the minimum wage, Sure Start, increased police numbers , increased paid holidays,
Increase number of nurses , doctors and teachers. Brought in the Equality and Human Rights Commission

Was the only Labour leader to win three consecutive General Elections.

The previous labour government ruled by the Unions ? Strikes, and lasted 4 years

my epic incompetence has led you into complete apathy

Or crystaltipps how about

"I have done my utmost to deliver Brexit, to get us a deal with the EU. Those deals have been unacceptable to Parliament, because of the Irish backstop problem, which is fair enough - but happens to be an EU problem too. We have sought assurances that this issue will be resolved but parliament has in its wisdom, voted against the deal. I have sought an extension to allow us to hammer out our differences once again, but we cannot blame the EU for telling us "enough is enough"

"We are at an impasse now, caused mainly by those in Parliament who want to tie us to the EU indefinitely."

"I cannot, without their agreement, do anything. Parliament - the body elected to represent the electorate, has NOT wanted what the electorate want, hasn't, in the main, honoured the referendum result and has, in its wisdom, blocked any forward movement."

"I suspect the people of the UK can see this for themselves, and appreciate that anti Conservative, and anti Leave bodies are pulling all the strings, not me, as Prime Minister"

"Please tell me of another politician who would have done any better in these circumstances?"

May has been thwarted at every turn, but Remainer policies, in begging Brussels for a deal, have been to blame for the sad state of affairs we are in now.

I maintain that we should have left the EU, without anything, had a clean break and THEN sorted out policy making. The EU needs its UK markets too and we would have been able to bargain too with an equal hand whilst creating and making agreements with new markets via the WTO.

I know of many people who now appreciate Theresa May had her negotiating powers limited right from the start because MPs have decided they want us to Remain and any other deal would never be passed.

This is an all time low point for UK democracy. and the people know that.

And as for quoting that hypocritical, champagne socialist Polly Toynbee - that is desperation. Even socialists know her Islington ivory tower views aren't worth a light.

Frankly Day6 the problems you identify TM as having had:

"May has been thwarted at every turn, but Remainer policies, in begging Brussels for a deal, have been to blame for the sad state of affairs we are in now."

could have been avoided if TM had actually consulted other people instead of insisting it was her deal or the highway; how about, for example, having had a cross-party negotiating group, preferably with external stakeholders

The Theresa May speech outside No 10 yesterday is nothing knew if you watch PMQ'S and the copious amount of debates that have taken place in Parliament. She more or less reiterated what she has told MP's in Parliament and I don't understand the reaction by MP's who have heard it all before if I am being honest.

I think what she has done is told the country where she stands and I think she could be on the verge of possibly resigning if the EU/UK Withdrawal Bill does not pass through Parliament and she has given the country notice and her reason why.

She is correct when she says the public are fed up of Brexit, when she says it is a catastrophe, when GN posters/commentators/journalists/ other MP's say it they are being honest and saying it as it is.

When she eludes to Parliament saying what it is ' doesn' t want ' but not saying ' what it does want ' she is correct. Other than Parliament saying it does not want a ' No Deal ' all other Ammendments put forward and The EU/UK Withdrawal Bill have been voted against.

She is correct in stating " It is now time for MP's to decide ".

I agree with her when she says :-

" You're tired of the infighting, you're tired of the political games, and the arcane procedural rows"

Our Parliamentarians are divided, our Parliamentarians have used the Refendum to score political points at the expense of the good of the country and what I find is so annoying is half of them will probably not be elected or in Parliament at the next election and indeed some of them don't want to even be in the UK.

Some of them have used it to try and gain power but given mixed messages as to where they stand and given the impression they could do better but when it comes to the EU/UK Withdrawal Bill that they voted against they accept even if they were in power that would still be the same as the EU have stated it is not up for negotiation.

So if Theresa May is shameful then all I can say half the bloody Parliamentarians should be taking a hard look at themselves in the mirror.

I have a lot of sympathy for TM she cannot win and probably won’t I give her credit for doing better than any man would

Yes, David many people are now realising that.

Any of us who have ever had to bargain in the workplace or bring about a deal to suit all parties, all views, know just how difficult that is.

May's task has been almost impossible I'd say.

I agree humptydumpty that a cross party negotiating group seems like a common sense approach now, and perhaps should have been mooted from day one, but the fact remains, in 2016 (and today) her brief was to extricate us from the EU.

If all in the cross party negotiating group had the same aims and wanted the same conclusion, it would have worked - maybe.

If that group had to put its conclusions to parliament, the chances are Remainer MPs/anti Tory groups would still have voted it down.

That's what is causing public anger, not TM.

But her detractors will make her the target - Brexit gives them the opportunity they couldn't miss. More self-serving and pathetic point scoring with not a thought for the electorate - or the UK - in sight.

Our MPs have conducted themselves disgracefully.

They're nothing but a bunch of traitors at Westminster-----backstabbers.

humptydumpty

" could have been avoided if TM had actually consulted other people instead of insisting it was her deal or the highway;"
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No Prime Minister before her consulted with other parties when it came to the EU.

All of the Political Parties insist it is ' their deal or the highway'.

All of the Political Parties refuse to shift from ' their red lines'.

I dearly hoped Parliamentarians both in the EU and the UK could be pragmatic but when the political dogma, mindset is as you say ' my way or the highway' and sticking to ' their red lines' we end up where we are, in a bloody mess and watching a bunch of power crazy, hypocrites carry on clocking a snoop at those who put them there.

Behind all these problems lies the issue of leadership. There are, I’m sure everyone already knows, different kinds of leaders who employ different skills.

Most of us, even those who don’t follow her brand of politics, agree she was handed a poisoned chalice. But having accept this she ought to have handled it better.

Working with people, the public, other politicians, her own party, those behind the scenes, businesses large an small, ought to be second nature to any good manager never mind she who would be PM.

Listening to Radio 4 and Radio 5 Live earlier her speech ‘it’s not my fault blame everyone else’ has not gone down well with the public - Brexiteers and Remainers alike.

I do question her appeal to the public on TV last night and it went down like a lead balloon with the MPs, but then they werent likely to be enthusiastic about being told they were a bunch of rowdy self serving pratts.

I had a deal of sympathy for TM until last night. I thought she came across as patronising.

She doesn't know how I and millions of other people feel but she will on Saturday.

could have been avoided if TM had actually consulted other people instead of insisting it was her deal or the highway; how about, for example, having had a cross-party negotiating group, preferably with external stakeholders - I so agree humptydumpty.

She wasn't handed a poisoned chalice - she chose it and did everything she possibly could to stay in power and drink the contents.